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Legend Hawk said:
What does NW non conference record have to do with winning a conference? Should ISU's loss to ULL hurt in for the Big12 standings? We are talking conference record for conference championships.

I only looked at the division that Iowa was in, and Iowa has only been in a division that had a 2 loss champion two times in 10 years. ISU is in the Big12 and it has had a 2 or 3 conference loss team in it's championship game in 4 of the last 5 years.

That data clearly shows that ISU has had a much easier shot of making a conference championship game than Iowa has. They can afford to lose 2 conference games a year, Iowa hasn't had that luxury.
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ISU only lost a single conference game. You're moving goal posts again.
 
Statefan10 said:
And that top 25 team played one that actually was a top 25 team. Wisconsin might've been when they played in mid November but they were bad this year.
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This pandemic year has been a bad, bad year all the way around for the Big10, there is no denying that. The conference was down big time for sure.

Crazy though that Iowa still only faced 1 less conference team ranked in the final top 25 poll than OU and the other Big12 championship game opponent did in each year from '16-'19.

'16 OU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'16 OSU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'17 OU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'17 TCU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'18 OU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'18 Texas played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'19 OU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'19 Baylor played 2 top 25 Big12 teams

Talk about an easy path to a championship game. YIKES! Iowa played 2 top 25 Big10 teams when going to the 2015 championship game and ISU fans say that was an easy schedule.
 
Legend Hawk said:
What does NW non conference record have to do with winning a conference? Should ISU's loss to ULL hurt in for the Big12 standings? We are talking conference record for conference championships.

I only looked at the division that Iowa was in, and Iowa has only been in a division that had a 2 loss champion two times in 10 years. ISU is in the Big12 and it has had a 2 or 3 conference loss team in it's championship game in 4 of the last 5 years.

That data clearly shows that ISU has had a much easier shot of making a conference championship game than Iowa has. They can afford to lose 2 conference games a year, Iowa hasn't had that luxury.
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Don’t you think all of Kirk’s accomplishments should have a big stain on them, because he runs a racist program?
 
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Legend Hawk said:
This pandemic year has been a bad, bad year all the way around for the Big10, there is no denying that. The conference was down big time for sure.

Crazy though that Iowa still only faced 1 less conference team ranked in the final top 25 poll than OU and the other Big12 championship game opponent did in each year from '16-'19.

'16 OU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'16 OSU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'17 OU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'17 TCU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'18 OU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'18 Texas played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'19 OU played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
'19 Baylor played 2 top 25 Big12 teams
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Yeah the Big Ten was terrible this year
 
Legend Hawk said:
What does NW non conference record have to do with winning a conference? Should ISU's loss to ULL hurt in for the Big12 standings? We are talking conference record for conference championships.

I only looked at the division that Iowa was in, and Iowa has only been in a division that had a 2 loss champion two times in 10 years. ISU is in the Big12 and it has had a 2 or 3 conference loss team in it's championship game in 4 of the last 5 years.

That data clearly shows that ISU has had a much easier shot of making a conference championship game than Iowa has. They can afford to lose 2 conference games a year, Iowa hasn't had that luxury.
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You have absolutely zero understanding of how data works if you actually think there is even close to a direct comparison between playing in a 14 team conference where your schedule is in fluctuation and every 4 years in the West you get to play 0 of the top teams in the East, and playing against the exact same teams every single year.

Also, no it shouldn't hurt NW's chances at getting into the conference title. They also lost to ND that year in the non con. I was more making fun of the fact that the gauntlet that is the Big 10 West was a walk in the park that year for a northwestern team that lost 3 non conference games. You throwing in ISU losing to a ranked ULL is moot. If next year we lose all three non-con games and waltz through our conference schedule, then you have a case to be made.
 
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Legend Hawk said:
I didn't move the goalpost @Statefan10 did. He tried to claim a 8-1 conference record should be blemished because of non conference losses.
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I never said NW didn't deserve to be there. They obviously deserved to be there. They were the best team in the Big 10 West, who also lost EVERY SINGLE NON CON GAME.
 
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Statefan10 said:
You have absolutely zero understanding of how data works if you actually think there is even close to a direct comparison between playing in a 14 team conference where your schedule is in fluctuation and every 4 years in the West you get to play 0 of the top teams in the East, and playing against the exact same teams every single year.

Also, no it shouldn't hurt NW's chances at getting into the conference title. They also lost to ND that year in the non con. I was more making fun of the fact that the gauntlet that is the Big 10 West was a walk in the park that year for a northwestern team that lost 3 non conference games. You throwing in ISU losing to a ranked ULL is moot. If next year we lose all three non-con games and waltz through our conference schedule, then you have a case to be made.
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Hold on, Iowa had to play 8 Top 25 teams from the Big10 East alone from '16-'19. OU played a total of 8 top 25 Big12 teams from '16-'19.

This idea that you can avoid all ranked teams from the East is just dumb. While the Big12 conference championship game teams were playing 2 top 25 teams from '16-'19 each year, Iowa had to play 3 in '16, 4 in '17, 2 in '18 and 4 in '19.

So while OU played 8 top 25 Big12 teams, Iowa faced 13 top 25 Big10 teams. LOL at thinking the Round Robin is so, so tough.
 
Legend Hawk said:
Hold on, Iowa had to play 8 Top 25 teams from the Big10 East alone from '16-'19. OU played a total of 8 top 25 Big12 teams from '16-'19.

This idea that you can avoid all ranked teams from the East is just dumb. While the Big12 conference championship game teams were playing 2 top 25 teams from '16-'19 each year, Iowa had to play 3 in '16, 4 in '17, 2 in '18 and 4 in '19.

So while OU played 8 top 25 Big12 teams, Iowa faced 13 top 25 Big10 teams. LOL at thinking the Round Robin is so, so tough.
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Buddy, I'm not making the claim that the Big 12 is sooooo hard to play in. IDGAF lol. I'm just saying it isn't some cake walk like you believe it is. That's all.
 
Legend Hawk said:
You might not like it, but it is true. With the Round Robin you are letting in teams with 2 and 3 conference losses. That doesn't happen in the Big10 West. ISU fans think the Round Robin makes everything so tough, but it has it benefits as well.

To show just how easy this can be, take 2019 for instance. There were 3 Big12 teams that finished in the AP top 25. So that means if you were a top 25 team, you only had to face 2 other top 25 teams, and then play 7 unranked teams on your conference schedule. That is what Iowa did in 2015, and you guys say that was a cream puff schedule, but that is all the Big12 champ and runner up had to do in '19, '18, '17, and '16. They had to play 2 other Top 25 teams and 7 unranked conference opponents, and bang they are making the Big12 Championship game.
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You really seem to be missing the point that by playing each other in the regular season one of them is guaranteed a loss. It's a pretty important distinction that, if you can't grasp the concept, prevents you from understanding the situation.
 
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Statefan10 said:
Buddy, I'm not making the claim that the Big 12 is sooooo hard to play in. IDGAF lol. I'm just saying it isn't some cake walk like you believe it is. That's all.
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You are actually reasonable, you get it. The problem is just all I see around here is that Iowa has it so easy, but the Big12 round robin is so hard.
 
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Ozclone said:
You really seem to be missing the point that by playing each other in the regular season one of them is guaranteed a loss. It's a pretty important distinction that, if you can't grasp the concept, prevents you from understanding the situation.
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That is a good point, but the same holds true for the Big10 West. We all play each other in the West as well, and if you slip up against a NW or Wisconsin there is 0 chance you get into a CCG.
 
Legend Hawk said:
You are actually reasonable, you get it. The problem is just all I see around here is that Iowa has it so easy, but the Big12 round robin is so hard.
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They're hard in their own ways. There are seasons where it's easier than others. Too many people look at games like Purdue vs. Illinois or Tech vs. Kansas and make an oversimplification on how good / bad the conference is.
 
Statefan10 said:
They're hard in their own ways. There are seasons where it's easier than others. Too many people look at games like Purdue vs. Illinois or Tech vs. Kansas and make an oversimplification on how good / bad the conference is.
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I would totally agree with you on this. The problem is this place is filled with 95% unreasonable ISU fan who claim Big10 West sucks, it is easy, if ISU played in the Iowa schedule they would win the West all the time, and on and on. So yeah I used data to show it isn't easy, and in some ways it is tougher than the Big12.
 
Statefan10 said:
They're hard in their own ways. There are seasons where it's easier than others. Too many people look at games like Purdue vs. Illinois or Tech vs. Kansas and make an oversimplification on how good / bad the conference is.
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I thought Purdue's coach was a slam dunk hire and expected more than we've gotten. He's into Paul Rhoads territory now and hindsight should have maybe thought about that Louisville job harder.
 
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