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[qwerty]

I could see him get 1-2 seasons at the end of bench before new blood comes in and bounces him out. I don't follow NBA close enough to know how much run those guys get. Maybe it is 5 minutes per game. I just don't know. Just looked, that is pretty much what Deonte Burton achieved, something at that level.

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[GoHawks]

I could see him get 1-2 seasons at the end of bench before new blood comes in and bounces him out. I don't follow NBA close enough to know how much run those guys get. Maybe it is 5 minutes per game. I just don't know.

That's fair ive read many people say he won't even get that far. In the NBA the 12th man might get 0 minutes 1 night then 18 the next. Rotations can be all over the place. Usually if you're in the top 12 you will usually end up averaging 5 minutes but it might not be a nightly basis

 

[Gunnerclone]

I’ve watched every team this year. I haven’t seen a team that Garza fits on. He needs the team to be built around his offensive game otherwise his liabilities outweigh his one thing that he’s good at which is scoring the basketball. In the NBA there are 3’s and 4’s that can guard him, but he can’t guard anyone let alone a 3 or a 4.

I think he would need to shed 25 lbs and try to improve his speed and endurance if he wants to even have his cup of coffee in the league. Of course that takes away from his ability to pin guys deep which he’s really good at.

 

[GoHawks]

I could see him get 1-2 seasons at the end of bench before new blood comes in and bounces him out. I don't follow NBA close enough to know how much run those guys get. Maybe it is 5 minutes per game. I just don't know. Just looked, that is pretty much what Deonte Burton achieved, something at that level.

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My favorite recent player for Iowa state. Some of his jams would shake the hoop for a minute

 

[GoHawks]

I’ve watched every team this year. I haven’t seen a team that Garza fits on. He needs the team to be built around his offensive game otherwise his liabilities outweigh his one thing that he’s good at which is scoring the basketball. In the NBA there are 3’s and 4’s that can guard him, but he can’t guard anyone let alone a 3 or a 4.

There's no way most 3s are guarding him 1 on 1. Which 3 is guarding him that's not an elite defender? The elite 3s are not going to be slotted against luka garza either. His offensive game is built to play on any team. He can be a pick and pop guy or on the block guy.

 

[GoHawks]

I’ve watched every team this year. I haven’t seen a team that Garza fits on. He needs the team to be built around his offensive game otherwise his liabilities outweigh his one thing that he’s good at which is scoring the basketball. In the NBA there are 3’s and 4’s that can guard him, but he can’t guard anyone let alone a 3 or a 4.

I think he would need to shed 25 lbs and try to improve his speed and endurance if he wants to even have his cup of coffee in the league. Of course that takes away from his ability to pin guys deep which he’s really good at.

I would agree lateral quickness will be his biggest weakness and he will likely be abused again and again on the pick and roll in the NBA. There's tons of NBA 5's and even 4's that meet that description though. Enes kanter and Kaminsky are closest comps that he could copy role wise. It limits your minutes but it's not a death sentence

 

[CyTwins]

I would agree lateral quickness will be his biggest weakness and he will likely be abused again and again on the pick and roll in the NBA. There's tons of NBA 5's and even 4's that meet that description though. Enes kanter and Kaminsky are closest comps that he could copy role wise. It limits your minutes but it's not a death sentence

Kaminsky is an awful comp for Garza I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up. He was a top 10 pick

 

[GoHawks]

Kaminsky is an awful comp for Garza I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up. He was a top 10 pick

And i think many would say a bust at that high. What do you think kaminsky does better than Garza? He might be a slightly better shooter but is very slight and he's not near as physical as Garza. I think Garza is a blend of Kaminsky and Hansbrough.

 

[HFCS]

You can't improve as much as luka has unless there's something happening behind the scenes of normal development. Furthermore to your point Fran hasn't shown me hes some exceptional developer. Not saying he's not at least good at it. Some guys gett better others don't coaches probably get to much credit or blame either way. I will say however fran is doing everything he can to center everything around him offensively. Sometimes teams have a great big and they don't get him the ball enough. Theirs a clear goal most the time down.

I'm more of an NBA fan than college, I kind of think college basketball sucks outside of my ISU fandom (and Iowa fandom as a kid).

Luka is a player who would have been a top 5 pick in 90s or even early 2000s. Chris Mihm out of Texas was a top ten pick in early 00s and he sucked in every way compared to Garza as the same kind of player.

Times have changed. The biggest thing by far working against him is his foot speed on defense. Don't listen to any college fans on these forums, they don't know anything about defense in the NBA. NBA defense is on a different level and demands a different level of athlete. If you can't keep up on D you won't see heavy minutes unless you're already an all star on offense.

He will stick around for a while because his outside shooting has improved, but it'll be hard for him to be "the man" for a team or a starter with his foot speed.

For full disclosure, Monte is the only player from ISU among the 11 recent NBA players they've had who could be a starter at this point, he's among the best backup PGs in the league and has started around 30 games I think. BDJ was on track for it when he was killed and THT/Haliburton definitely have the potential for it. Could Garza have a similar career to what Georges has had so far? Sure. Georges has some of the same limitations, although he has worked his butt off to get leaner and faster on D. He's much more athletic now than he was at ISU and even with his "minivan" nickname he's way quicker up the floor than Garza.

 

[CyTwins]

And i think many would say a bust at that high. What do you think kaminsky does better than Garza? He might be a slightly better shooter but is very slight and he's not near as physical as Garza. I think Garza is a blend of Kaminsky and Hansbrough.

He's 7'1, way more versatile, runs better, better shooter and much better defender.

It's a bad comparison. He has been a bust but there's a reason he was a top 10 pick and Garza probably won't be drafted.

 

[GoHawks]

I'm more of an NBA fan than college, I kind of think college basketball sucks outside of my ISU fandom (and Iowa fandom as a kid).

Luka is a player who would have been a top 5 pick in 90s or even early 2000s. Chris Mihm out of Texas was a top ten pick in early 00s and he sucked in every way compared to Garza as the same kind of player.

Times have changed. The biggest thing by far working against him is his foot speed on defense. Don't listen to any college fans on these forums, they don't know anything about defense in the NBA. NBA defense is on a different level and demands a different level of athlete. If you can't keep up on D you won't see heavy minutes unless you're already an all star on offense.

He will stick around for a while because his outside shooting has improved, but it'll be hard for him to be "the man" for a team or a starter with his foot speed.

For full disclosure, Monte is the only player from ISU among the 11 recent NBA players they've had who could be a starter at this point, he's among the best backup PGs in the league and has started around 30 games I think. BDJ was on track for it when he was killed and THT/Haliburton definitely have the potential for it. Could Garza have a similar career to what Georges has had so far? Sure. Georges has some of the same limitations, although he has worked his butt off to get leaner and faster on D and he's much more athletic now than he was at ISU and even with his "minivan" nickname he's way quicker up the floor than Garza.

Very well said. If i didn't live in Iowa and instead Chicago for example i may not watch college basketball. Many college games are boring quite frankly. You just can't match the fluidity of an NBA game.
You're exactly right on Niang facing the same criticisms coming out of college. He is quicker than Garza yes but he's also nowhere near as physical as well. Niang does have the benefit of being more positionless which favors him. He can obviously handle the ball better than Garza can ever hope. Garza will have to compete for a spot as a 5.

 

[cycloner29]

First team, second team, third?

Do you think Fran or Frank is more responsible for Luka's growth?

He’ll get the prestigious “Sportmanship award” before he gets 1st or 2nd team. Unless Franny keeps it in the family and gives it to Patrick. Then he will get HM.

 

[GoHawks]

He's 7'1, way more versatile, runs better, better shooter and much better defender.

It's a bad comparison. He has been a bust but there's a reason he was a top 10 pick and Garza probably won't be drafted.

I disagree twins and i don't think you even believe it. Kaminsky isn't a much better defender than anyone. He's a slightly better shooter, a little more skilled handling the ball but isn't near as physical as Garza again.

 

[CyTwins]

I disagree twins and i don't think you even believe it. Kaminsky isn't a much better defender than anyone. He's a slightly better shooter, a little more skilled handling the ball but isn't near as physical as Garza again.

A little more skilled? Lol Garza can't even pass out of a double team and Kaminsky was a great passer

 

[CycloneDaddy]

A little more skilled? Lol Garza can't even pass out of a double team and Kaminsky was a great passer

One was a top 10 pick and another will go undrafted but they are the similiar players, laugh my ass off

 

[GoHawks]

One was a top 10 pick and another will go undrafted but they are the similiar players, laugh my ass off

The draft pick has literally nothing to do with how they perform. The Hornets would be the first to tell you it was a mistake. If anything Kaminsky getting drafted that high is a reason why teams aren't higher on Garza. They've seen him play out and are afraid to make same mistake. I guess i thought this board respected him more. It's a rivals board so I'm not expecting him to be drooled over but ive read many posts saying "Iowa is good but it's all Garza ". No big in entire country this year or last is near as dominant as him and that's in one of the top 3 conferences along with the Big 12 and ACC. Now its far fetched that he can have a 5 to 10 year NBA career. I've routinely seen him dominate future or current NBA players. Of course drafting is a lot of potential but that doesn't mean some NBA team doesn't decide to go with a different mindset and go with a more skilled ready guy

 

[CycloneDaddy]

The draft pick has literally nothing to do with how they perform. The Hornets would be the first to tell you it was a mistake. If anything Kaminsky getting drafted that high is a reason why teams aren't higher on Garza. They've seen him play out and are afraid to make same mistake. I guess i thought this board respected him more. It's a rivals board so I'm not expecting him to be drooled over but ive read many posts saying "Iowa is good but it's all Garza ". No big in entire country this year or last is near as dominant as him and that's in one of the top 3 conferences along with the Big 12 and ACC. Now its far fetched that he can have a 5 to 10 year NBA career. I've routinely seen him dominate future or current NBA players. Of course drafting is a lot of potential but that doesn't mean some NBA team doesn't decide to go with a different mindset and go with a more skilled ready guy

He will make a lot of money in Europe, nothing wrong with that.

 

[CyTwins]

The draft pick has literally nothing to do with how they perform. The Hornets would be the first to tell you it was a mistake. If anything Kaminsky getting drafted that high is a reason why teams aren't higher on Garza. They've seen him play out and are afraid to make same mistake. I guess i thought this board respected him more. It's a rivals board so I'm not expecting him to be drooled over but ive read many posts saying "Iowa is good but it's all Garza ". No big in entire country this year or last is near as dominant as him and that's in one of the top 3 conferences along with the Big 12 and ACC. Now its far fetched that he can have a 5 to 10 year NBA career. I've routinely seen him dominate future or current NBA players. Of course drafting is a lot of potential but that doesn't mean some NBA team doesn't decide to go with a different mindset and go with a more skilled ready guy

Garza and Kaminsky is a horrible comp because Kaminsky was more versatile and much more skilled outside of just being a scorer. That's it

 

[GoHawks]

He will make a lot of money in Europe, nothing wrong with that.

I disagree but you aren't alone and wanted to kind of see what the board thought. I might be too optimistic

 

[Rural]

The draft pick has literally nothing to do with how they perform. The Hornets would be the first to tell you it was a mistake. If anything Kaminsky getting drafted that high is a reason why teams aren't higher on Garza. They've seen him play out and are afraid to make same mistake. I guess i thought this board respected him more. It's a rivals board so I'm not expecting him to be drooled over but ive read many posts saying "Iowa is good but it's all Garza ". No big in entire country this year or last is near as dominant as him and that's in one of the top 3 conferences along with the Big 12 and ACC. Now its far fetched that he can have a 5 to 10 year NBA career. I've routinely seen him dominate future or current NBA players. Of course drafting is a lot of potential but that doesn't mean some NBA team doesn't decide to go with a different mindset and go with a more skilled ready guy

Very far fetched