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Brodie0 said:
Correct. The Iowa State fans don’t like those stats, so they’ve been claiming that they don’t count or simply handing out “dislikes” and “disagrees” without engaging in any discussion. Business as usual.
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I'm continuing this conversation because you're using one insanely specific stat to prove a back that had okay stats against good defenses is better than a back that truly played one game against that specific baseline of a defense. And after all of that.. after Breece Hall got going, he ended up having almost double the touchdowns, more yards rushing, more yards receiving yards, more accolades, etc.

You want me to be impressed because he played against Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan's defenses? He didn't even have more than 30 yards in any of those game! But he had an awesome ypc right? Alright.
 
Gonzo said:
I'm not arguing. Just using the rankings you provided to compare/contrast how each performed against the top defenses they faced. Nearly half the defenses Goodson went against were top-40 compared to 1 for Hall. And Goodson outgained Hall by 2 yards per carry against those top defenses.

Again, I have no idea if SP+ is the best metric to use.
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I mean you could also look at the fact that Goodson wasn't impressive against those defenses. He had one actual good game against Minnesota, the worst of all of those top defenses..
 
Statefan10 said:
I'm continuing this conversation because you're using one insanely specific stat to prove a back that had okay stats against good defenses is better than a back that truly played one game against that specific baseline of a defense. And after all of that.. after Breece Hall got going, he ended up having almost double the touchdowns, more yards rushing, more yards receiving yards, more accolades, etc.

You want me to be impressed because he played against Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan's defenses? He didn't even have more than 30 yards in any of those game! But he had an awesome ypc right? Alright.
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30 yards per game? Hell, Bo Williams almost had that per carry at ISU.
 
Statefan10 said:
I'm continuing this conversation because you're using one insanely specific stat to prove a back that had okay stats against good defenses is better than a back that truly played one game against that specific baseline of a defense. And after all of that.. after Breece Hall got going, he ended up having almost double the touchdowns, more yards rushing, more yards receiving yards, more accolades, etc.

You want me to be impressed because he played against Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan's defenses? He didn't even have more than 30 yards in any of those game! But he had an awesome ypc right? Alright.
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Am I supposed to be impressed because Hall racked up big stats against Texas Tech and West Virginia?
 
Statefan10 said:
I mean you could also look at the fact that Goodson wasn't impressive against those defenses. He had one actual good game against Minnesota, the worst of all of those top defenses..
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Goodson averaged 4.4 per carry v. PSU (10), 2.5 v. Michigan (11), 5.2 v. Wisconsin (14), 5.3 v. ISU (25), 7.2 v. Minnesota (26), and 5.3 v. Northwestern (27). You're saying 5+ yards per carry against the #14, 25, 26, and 27 defenses isn't impressive?

Hall averaged 3.2 per carry against ND (22). And he only averaged 5+ yards per carry in four games all season, v. OU (48), TT (83), WVU (73), and La. Monroe (127).
 
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Brodie0 said:
Correct. The Iowa State fans don’t like those stats, so they’ve been claiming that they don’t count or simply handing out “dislikes” and “disagrees” without engaging in any discussion. Business as usual.
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How many SP+ top 10 finishes does Kirk have?
 
Statefan10 said:
I mean you could also look at the fact that Goodson wasn't impressive against those defenses. He had one actual good game against Minnesota, the worst of all of those top defenses..
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Really the only thing they're proving is Toren Young was better than Goodson
 
Statefan10 said:
I'm continuing this conversation because you're using one insanely specific stat to prove a back that had okay stats against good defenses is better than a back that truly played one game against that specific baseline of a defense. And after all of that.. after Breece Hall got going, he ended up having almost double the touchdowns, more yards rushing, more yards receiving yards, more accolades, etc.

You want me to be impressed because he played against Wisconsin, Penn State, and Michigan's defenses? He didn't even have more than 30 yards in any of those game! But he had an awesome ypc right? Alright.
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TheJackWePack5 said:
Hall vs Goodson feels like the second coming of Montgomery vs Wadley.

Both fantastic college RBs and well, you know the rest.
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Goodson wasn't in HM All Conference Big Ten last year. 180 offensive slots in the Big Ten to be HM All Conference or better. He literally has no accolades and isn't a threat in the passing game. Let's pump the brakes on fantastic for him lol. He reminds me of a slower Kene honestly
 
Gonzo said:
Goodson averaged 4.4 per carry v. PSU (10), 2.5 v. Michigan (11), 5.2 v. Wisconsin (14), 5.3 v. ISU (25), 7.2 v. Minnesota (26), and 5.3 v. Northwestern (27). You're saying 5+ yards per carry against the #14, 25, 26, and 27 defenses isn't impressive?

Hall averaged 3.2 per carry against ND (22). And he only averaged 5+ yards per carry in four games all season, v. OU (48), TT (83), WVU (73), and La. Monroe (127).
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So let me ask you this. If Breece Hall had a game where he ran the ball two times for 20 yards but by golly had a ypc of 10, would be impressed? No. So i'm not going to get impressed with a guy who had 35 yards on 8 carries against Penn State or 26 yards on 5 carries against Wisconsin. That is not impressive lol. If that's some great feat to you, props to you.

You trying to make this argument would be like trying to make the argument one QB is better than the other simply because they have a better yards per completion than another against good competition, but every other stat is worse. I mean that would be like thinking Justin Fields is better than Trevor Lawrence because Fields had a better throwing percentage and yards per completion, but I guarantee you almost everyone is picking Lawrence, as they should.
 
Statefan10 said:
So let me ask you this. If Breece Hall had a game where he ran the ball two times for 20 yards but by golly had a ypc of 10, would be impressed? No. So i'm not going to get impressed with a guy who had 35 yards on 8 carries against Penn State or 26 yards on 5 carries against Wisconsin. That is not impressive lol. If that's some great feat to you, props to you.

You trying to make this argument would be like trying to make the argument one QB is better than the other simply because they have a better yards per completion than another against good competition, but every other stat is worse. I mean that would be like thinking Justin Fields is better than Trevor Lawrence because Fields had a better throwing percentage and yards per completion, but I guarantee you almost everyone is picking Lawrence, as they should.
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You seem to be getting worked up and that's not like you. All I'm pointing out is that Goodson clearly faced much better defenses and did better against top-40 defenses than Hall. Goodson was in a three-RB rotation most of the season, of course he's not going to have the volume Hall had as the feature guy.
 
Legend Hawk said:
Why do you think I always say 5 out of 7 years that Iowa has NCAA Tournament quality basketball team? Der, because your troll was so predictable I saw it coming before you ever even thought of running it.
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It's not a troll when you are saying NCAA Tournament quality team which would imply they should have been in the tournament.
Legend Hawk said:
Hold on, those are just early entrants into the NFL Draft. Iowa has lost more than just 9 guys over 3 years to the NFL. Especially if you are trying to claim undrafted players now count as that total. If we are talking Iowa players that just graduate and then go onto the NFL undrafted, that would make that number even higher.

Steve lost THT early to the NBA, Shayok was out of eligibility so if Prohm can't recruit around that, then that is his problem. Wigginton left and he wasn't NBA quality and went undrafted.
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As I said before, link to this made up lie of yours that he left because Prohm was ruining him?
 
Gonzo said:
You seem to be getting worked up and that's not like you. All I'm pointing out is that Goodson clearly faced much better defenses and did better against top-40 defenses than Hall. Goodson was in a three-RB rotation most of the season, of course he's not going to have the volume Hall had as the feature guy.
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It's because it feels like you guys are trolling. Lol and I understand exactly what you're saying, but using this metric to determine who's better when Hall didn't have more than 2 carries against any other top-40 defense per SP+ besides Notre Dame is dumb. It's a one game sample size, and I don't think that's fair to use. If you think that's fair then alright. Iowa definitely played better defenses. Goodson put up meh stats overall against them. If he would've done better against them and then better against other teams as well, he would be better than Hall as well as gotten some sort of accolade.
 
Statefan10 said:
It's because it feels like you guys are trolling. Lol and I understand exactly what you're saying, but using this metric to determine who's better when Hall didn't have more than 2 carries against any other top-40 defense per SP+ besides Notre Dame is dumb. It's a one game sample size, and I don't think that's fair to use. If you think that's fair then alright. Iowa definitely played better defenses. Goodson put up meh stats overall against them. If he would've done better against them and then better against other teams as well, he would be better than Hall as well as gotten some sort of accolade.
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Again, the top 40 thing is weird and is used to skew things
 
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