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cyhiphopp said:
And the Minnesota and Illinois games are ones fans actually care about, because they've played them before.

The bigger problem is not who they play too often, it's who they rarely play that they used to be rivals with.

How many times, under the current model, has Iowa played Michigan, tOSU, MSU, and PSU? How many times have they played more than one or two of them a season? Michigan used to be one of their big games almost every year, now it's 5 years between home games with them maybe?

And finally, the B1G West might be improving slightly, but it's still well below the East as a division.
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Do these teams consider Iowa a rival? Certainly some history there though at least.

The more I see the inconsistencies with the other conferences, the more I like the B12's current format. It's not like ISU is huge rivals in football with many B12 teams, but playing every year starts a little bit of that. (being decent has also helped)
 
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madguy30 said:
Do these teams consider Iowa a rival? Certainly some history there though at least.

The more I see the inconsistencies with the other conferences, the more I like the B12's current format. It's not like ISU is huge rivals in football with many B12 teams, but playing every year starts a little bit of that. (being decent has also helped)
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Yeah, I’m not a big fan of expansion. It screws up both football and basketball. I do like that about the B12.

Unfortunately there is supposedly more expansion talk on the horizon when some of these tv deals run their course.
 
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JP4CY said:
It is Iowa's fault. When you vote to expand almost fully based upon NY tv revenue, you get watered down games. You get Michigan and tOSU less and Rutgers and Maryland more.
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One of my buddies that has had season tickets for 15 years for Iowa games has been so disappointed last 5 years especially. With the West being so bad the home games were dreadful with exception of a few games.
 
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dexterhawk said:
Yeah, I’m not a big fan of expansion. It screws up both football and basketball. I do like that about the B12.

Unfortunately there is supposedly more expansion talk on the horizon when some of these tv deals run their course.
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A lot of the expansion talk has quieted down too. The Pac 12 being a dumpster fire has somewhat stabilized things and has put the Big 12 in great position. I don't see expansion happening unless ND decides to join a conference. There is way too much uncertainty regarding TV revenue and the B1G earned this the hard way when they added Maryland and Rutgers.
 
dexterhawk said:
Yeah, I’m not a big fan of expansion. It screws up both football and basketball. I do like that about the B12.

Unfortunately there is supposedly more expansion talk on the horizon when some of these tv deals run their course.
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I think the big 10 and the SEC want to get to 16 or 18 teams when it is all said and done. I would actually rather have 18 teams than 14. With 18 teams you can have two seperate divisions with each division playing an 8 game inter division round robin schedule. That also leaves it open for more OOC options with four OOC games instead of three.

Of course, I wish the Big 10 could just go back to 10 teams, but I guess that will never happen.
 
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JP4CY said:
I love 10 teams in the B12 but if I were a B1G fan, stopping at 11 with Penn State makes sense. They just seem to fit in.
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I was even fine with adding Nebraska for the most part because of the fit and having two separate divisions for a championship game, which was a requirement back then. Adding Maryland and Rutgers made no sense then and will look worse over time.
 
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dexterhawk said:
Yeah, I’m not a big fan of expansion. It screws up both football and basketball. I do like that about the B12.

Unfortunately there is supposedly more expansion talk on the horizon when some of these tv deals run their course.
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With the distinct possibility of TV contract money drying up, you'd think there would less talk about splitting the pot amongst more teams. I think that's a big reason why the Big12 hasn't tried to add any more teams without adding HUGE value.
 
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iahawks said:
I think the big 10 and the SEC want to get to 16 or 18 teams when it is all said and done. I would actually rather have 18 teams than 14. With 18 teams you can have two seperate divisions with each division playing an 8 game inter division round robin schedule. That also leaves it open for more OOC options with four OOC games instead of three.

Of course, I wish the Big 10 could just go back to 10 teams, but I guess that will never happen.
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So basically two conferences within a conference.
 
iahawks said:
I think the big 10 and the SEC want to get to 16 or 18 teams when it is all said and done. I would actually rather have 18 teams than 14. With 18 teams you can have two seperate divisions with each division playing an 8 game inter division round robin schedule. That also leaves it open for more OOC options with four OOC games instead of three.

Of course, I wish the Big 10 could just go back to 10 teams, but I guess that will never happen.
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Who would you put in your ideal 18-team Big 10? And would some of them be football-only additions?
 
cyhiphopp said:
With the distinct possibility of TV contract money drying up, you'd think there would less talk about splitting the pot amongst more teams. I think that's a big reason why the Big12 hasn't tried to add any more teams without adding HUGE value.
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The essence of why Rutgers and Maryland were the choices. With many carriage contracts, BTN is on a lower tier with in market cable systems. Baltimore, DC, and NYC/ Jersey have a bunch of cable subscribers.
 
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iahawks said:
Two "full" divisions within a conference. No crossover games whatsoever in Football.
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So basically a partnership between two conferences.

I don't think it's a bad idea, but it would be interesting to see how it would play out.

You would NEVER see someone in the other "division" unless you got to the Conference Championship in football. It would make basketball scheduling really interesting and varied though. That removes a large number of teams you previously had a relationship/potential rivalry with.



Who else would the Big 10 add in your scenario? Say you got your dream scenario and added Notre Dame and Oklahoma.

They'd likely split the conference into East and West, right?
Move Purdue to the East where they belong and Notre Dame ends up in the east as well so you'd have:

East:
Indiana University
University of Maryland
University of Michigan
Michigan State University
Ohio State University
Pennsylvania State University
Rutgers University
Purdue
Notre Dame


West:
University of Illinois
University of Iowa
University of Minnesota
University of Nebraska
Northwestern University
University of Wisconsin
Oklahoma
Unknown 8th Team
Unknown 9th Team


Who's going to be the 8th and 9th West team is a HUGE question.

Also, Iowa would rarely play tOSU, Michigan, Michigan State, or PSU again unless they consistently win the West and would never play more than one of them in a season ever. Illinois would probably never play an East team again.


To me that just doesn't seem like a conference anymore and definitely wouldn't feel like the Big 10.
You always run into the issue where one "division" is not as good as the other and a valid argument from the second best team in the dominant division stating they are more deserving than the other division's champ.

On top of this, the Big 10 and SEC swallowing up 8 more P5 teams throws the rest of the P5 into utter chaos. It might be financially beneficial to the Big 18 and SEC, but it's a nightmare for everyone else. You'd think someone with clout in the NCAA or US government would flip the **** out about this.
 
iahawks said:
I would like to add Notre Dame (never going to happen) and Oklahoma. Don't want anything to do with Texas.
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You're not getting Oklahoma without Oklahoma State...the board of regents down there isn't letting that happen. And Oklahoma's talk about moving has certainly quieted down since Boren left...but maybe that is the fastest way to 16 (Okie and Okie St).
 
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