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if you can get them while you're working and not as a barrier to entry i'll change my view.

Better go back to school for another ~$80,000 to get these precious licenses. It also keeps teachers in positions they may have realized they don't really like but feel trapped by the amount of time and money it took to get started.
 
too many professions basically make you decide what you want to do as an 18-23 year old. what if i'm 40 and want to do it? you're saying making someone go back to school and totally discount their work experience is a good thing?

My work experience has all been accounting. If tomorrow I wake up and decide I want to be an engineer, yes I should be required to go learn some engineering before I go engineer some machinery, buildings, bridges, etc. I'm good with numbers and have engineered some tools and parts for my racing but in no way am I qualified to be an engineer and design things to be used by the public.
 
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Better go back to school for another ~$80,000 to get these precious licenses. It also keeps teachers in positions they may have realized they don't really like but feel trapped by the amount of time and money it took to get started.
Yes, because it costs $80,000 to get an additional endorsement.
 
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If you've got to go back to school and take a bunch of not-relevant or repetitive course work it could get expensive quickly.
You don't have any idea what the requirements would be for adding a typical endorsement, right?
 
too many professions basically make you decide what you want to do as an 18-23 year old. what if i'm 40 and want to do it? you're saying making someone go back to school and totally discount their work experience is a good thing?
The person that hit "Winner" on your post already pointed out the alternative pathway for this situation when the experience is applicable to what they want to teach. There are other programs for situations when the experience isn't applicable, which makes sense also.
 
My work experience has all been accounting. If tomorrow I wake up and decide I want to be an engineer, yes I should be required to go learn some engineering before I go engineer some machinery, buildings, bridges, etc. I'm good with numbers and have engineered some tools and parts for my racing but in no way am I qualified to be an engineer and design things to be used by the public.
But that isn’t what people are talking about. People are talking about an accountant who has worked for an engineering company for twenty years and knows the information needed to be an engineer. No one is saying we should lower the knowledge requirements for an occupation. We are saying that certifications or licenses should be about whether you actually know the information not whether you took the classes. The CPA exam should absolutely be a hard test. It should weed out people who aren’t serious. It shouldn’t weed out well qualified non traditional people though.
 
But that isn’t what people are talking about. People are talking about an accountant who has worked for an engineering company for twenty years and knows the information needed to be an engineer. No one is saying we should lower the knowledge requirements for an occupation. We are saying that certifications or licenses should be about whether you actually know the information not whether you took the classes. The CPA exam should absolutely be a hard test. It should weed out people who aren’t serious. It shouldn’t weed out well qualified non traditional people though.

In the case you mentioned I still think it's a good idea for a test to prove the person knows the crucial information.
 
You don't have any idea what the requirements would be for adding a typical endorsement, right?

You have to start from somewhere. Adding endorsements is a different deal. I did not know the extent of freaking details they've added since I was in school. I think they only had K-6 and secondary education back then.
 
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If I want to adopt an infant from Asia or a teenager from Alabama I don't get different "adoption" licenses.

If you have 15 years teaching elementary special ed are you truly suggesting someone go back and get a different degree to be an elementary counselor? Let me flip the question: why not let people with the base certification and plenty of experience try new roles?
Because most parents don't want someone trying a new role on their kid.

Oh, your kid has anger issues, well this elementary PE teacher of 15 years certainly knows all the best approaches to handle that issue. No thank you ... give me someone that has been appropriately trained in helping a kid deal with anger.
 
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Because most parents don't want someone trying a new role on their kid.

Oh, your kid has anger issues, well this elementary PE teacher of 15 years certainly knows all the best approaches to handle that issue. No thank you ... give me someone that has been appropriately trained in helping a kid deal with anger.

PE teachers don't get angry kids in class?
 
In the case you mentioned I still think it's a good idea for a test to prove the person knows the crucial information.
They still should have to take the test but under the current rules for the CPA for example, unless there is an exception I don’t know about, they can’t even take the test.
 
PE teachers don't get angry kids in class?
You are such a *******. There is clearly a difference between having an angry kid in class and how you handle the kid in class versus working with kids on strategies to deal and cope with anger issues.
 
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How many people in this thread have said they learned more working than from their education? Why do you discount experience so much?

Do you need a separate educational certification for that? If people learn the most "in the first year teaching" than in the classroom why do you want so many things to be learned in the classroom?
I discount experience when it is not related to what the job requires. PE teachers have to know how to count to keep score. But 15 years experience doing that doesn't mean they are ready to teach Calculus. You need a base knowledge that requires experience directly related or classroom knowledge/training. All these people that are saying that they learn the most "in the first year" have that knowledge as their base; they aren't going form zero to teacher/counselor/accountant/engineer immediately.
 
I discount experience when it is not related to what the job requires. PE teachers have to know how to count to keep score. But 15 years experience doing that doesn't mean they are ready to teach Calculus. You need a base knowledge that requires experience directly related or classroom knowledge/training. All these people that are saying that they learn the most "in the first year" have that knowledge as their base; they aren't going form zero to teacher/counselor/accountant/engineer immediately.

Basic knowledge can be learned in many places (ie YouTube) and can be tested.
 
Like maybe slowed him down for the year that I had to listen to him fumble around with basic Physics concepts while he received more training? Is this really a hill your going to try and plant your flag on?

No, slowed him down enough that you sneak through with some other Physics teacher you didn't like and kids a year or two later got to enjoy his teaching.
 
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Semantics. Let someone with 15 years of 3rd grade special ed experience teach 4th grade. Why the new "certification"

I'm looking at her license online and it says "PreK-3 Special Education Teacher"

Was there an option for her to get endorsed in a wider range of grades during her time in school?
 
If you can 6th grade math do you think someone should need a new certification/license to teach the same 7th grade math? It's a yes or no question for a specific scenario.
Those would be covered by the same endorsement. You couldn't, as a person with a K-8 or 5-12 Math endorsement all of a sudden decide to teach physics though.
 

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