I do too because you absolutely never fail to bring up that age group. Personally I would like to teach those who've figured out the system is a scam and dropped out or went to some alternative school.
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I do too because you absolutely never fail to bring up that age group. Personally I would like to teach those who've figured out the system is a scam and dropped out or went to some alternative school.
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Also, wishing there was an easy way to convert advanced degrees into licenses, but nope.
Licensing is still very good. I'm all about having pros doing an important job like this.
I was speaking more broadly of licensure, and not just about the teaching profession.
Here we go. Argent broadly poo-poohs any formal education ([it's] a scam), but on another thread (that he started), he expressed concern about who would get into Ivy League schools--probably riffing on the RWNJ topic of the day (resentment always being the theme in that world).
Not in education they don't. I have never heard of a school paying for license renewal or credits needed for license renewal. Not saying it doesn't happen, I just have not experienced this. Some districts will offer a class for renewal credit, but in my experience, those classes are kind of a joke. It very much starts to feel like a hoop to jump through. Some large districts will pay for a master's (DMPS/Drake program) or credits needed for a particular license that is in high demand (SpEd Strat II license). But by and large, we are on our own for renewal credits and expenses related to our license.
So that teaching unions can better justify wage hikes in negotiations and to weed out flakes who think they will get into teaching because they are sick of their current job and "like working with kids".
I shoulda just not said anything about taxation. Like Isufbcurt said, a license fee isn't crap. If it turns out it is crap (too expensive), you might not be in the right profession. And to build on a point randomfan44 made, it also serves to help weed out the posuers--those who might not be committed to working in the profession.
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I could be wrong, but aren't many of these endorsements achieved while obtaining a teaching degree at most universities? It sounds restrictive, but I think it's part of most people's education.
The course work required in general to become a teacher is a complete waste of time. You maybe take 2-3 courses that actually help you with the field but they still come up with at least 120 credits needed for a license, cut out the fluff and allow for more classroom experience (I've known many that quit during student teaching knowing they didn't want anything to do with the field). Once you have the course work done for your specific area why must you take a teaching methods course for every single license area (I've personally had to pay for and take 4 separate methods courses, they each cover the exact same topics).
Second the comment on paying full tuition for student teaching being highway robbery.
Second the comment on paying full tuition for student teaching being highway robbery.
Yes. All of these courses are a part of your specific teaching degree and often times you can fit in extra courses to have multiple endorsements. I am endorsed for K-8 Music, 5-12 Music, and 5-12 SpEd Strat. I.
Where you get into trouble is if you are like my wife. Went to undergraduate for environmental science. Worked at Pioneer for a year and HATED it. Went back to school to get her education license. She basically had to get her master's which sounds great, but hardly anyone wants to hire a teacher with no teaching experience and a masters which by law requires the district to pay the new teacher $2-5k more than a standard teacher freshly graduated with just a bachelors.
It is a joke. I sincerely think we need to consider a master/apprentice approach to education. There would be ways to improve our teacher education while also allowing for MASTER teachers to be able to achieve a more lucrative income while still being able to be influencing students. The sad tragedy of our poor pay for educators is that many of the best leave the classroom to become administrators, and we need more master educators in the classroom and teacher's lounge.
Talking specifically about your certification I could work for you for the next twenty years learning everything and still not qualify for the CPA because I didn’t major in Accounting. If I can take the test and pass I should be allowed to be a CPA. It also costs $888 for the test based on my quick look. That’s separate from teaching but same concept. At that point it is a barrier not a adequate test of knowledge.
Off topic, but teachers should get a raise. It's criminal that we pay them so little.
I mean there have to be cutoffs somewhere, right? The teachers who want to focus on early elementary get either a PreK-K or PreK-3 endorsement most likely, many others would get the K-6, or an endorsement for whatever subject they want. If your wife chose to go PreK-3 she knew what that meant.
It is a barrier to the profession (weeds out people who aren't serious about it) and a test of knowledge. The difference between a CPA and a non-CPA is a well rounded knowledge of everything related to Accounting (Audit & Attestation, Financial Accounting & Reporting, Regulation and Business Environment & Concepts). Passing the CPA exam isn't a fluke, you have to know your ****. Which is why I like it as a requirement.
Oh rly
It's not like you can't get additional endorsements.
Can you figure out there is a difference between formal education and government run education? Get back to me when you figure out the distinction.