Dantonio going down....
Top 15? Last year they sucked but overall I'd say top 15 last 5 years or so....can he sustain it? I'd say no...
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Top 15? Last year they sucked but overall I'd say top 15 last 5 years or so....can he sustain it? I'd say no...
Pretty unrealistic goal IMO....is that an attainable goal for ISU?
How exactly do you define a top 10 program by the way? What's the time frame for sustained excellence?
There's a huge difference in making it a goal and saying it is impossible for it to ever happen. Do I think ISU will ever be a top 10 program in my lifetime? No. Do I think ISU would be a top 10 program if Nick Saban somehow came to Ames? Absolutely
MSU has been a top 15 team several times but still don't see it as a top 15 program. Michigan is still the better program. And so is OSU. Top 25 probably wasn't giving them enough credit. Probably top 20 with Wisconsin.
I can agree with that but like I said.....a ESTABLISHED Nick Saban ain't coming to an ISU or Iowa. Just not happening....
Now.....could Campbell be the next Nick Saben? Who knows.....the trouble is even if he is....he won't have the established Nick Saben cache that could overcome the inherent recruiting hurdles that a state like Iowa entails.
Just don't see either school being a top 10 program given all the limitations in recruiting and $$$ that the "blue bloods" of college football enjoy.
Last 5 years sure....by that standard Ferentz had a top 15 program from 2001-2005.
Lets see if he can sustain that....I don't think he will.
Yes, Iowa is still historically better, but most of that is ancient history, but still history nonetheless.
Iowa has had 25 NCAA appearances, 8 conference championships, 2 conference tournament championships, 8 Sweet 16s, 3 Final Fours and 1 Runner Up
ISU has had 19 NCAA appearances, 6 conference championships, 5 conference tournament championships, 5 Sweet 16s, and 1 Final Four
I never said he would. I'm telling you a Hawkeye fan said an established Nick Saban or Bill Belichik couldn't make Iowa into a top 10 program which I said sucks for you guys.
Not even sure he will make it to next fall with some of the new allegations coming out. Not pretty at all.
How does one define a top program? History/tradition, recruiting success and recruiting base, recent success? I would argue that despite MSU's recent success that they still aren't a top 15 program.
I would say in no particular order I would put these teams above MSU:
Alabama
LSU
OSU
Michigan
Auburn
USC
Texas
Oklahoma
Florida
Florida State
Clemson
Notre Dame
Georgia
Penn State
Miami
I would say in no particular order I would put these teams above MSU:
Alabama
LSU
OSU
Michigan
Auburn
USC
Texas
Oklahoma
Florida
Florida State
Clemson
Notre Dame
Georgia
Penn State
Miami
They didn't even have a conference tournament until 1998, but only having two isn't anything to brag about for sure.
How does ISU only have 1 final four berth that came in 1944 and still call itself a basketball school?
Have to admit....that was horrible.
Still don't understand the call er calls at all. Don't think I've seen it since.....
