Wrong Type of Offense For a Program Like ISU
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I don't know, nor do I care who we stack up against. I just think we put our defense in a terrible situation with our 3 in out's. We have no depth at LB's or d-line and these guys are will fall apart against teams that have more high power offenses.
You're the one saying we have to build an offense just like KSU or UI so I would assume you have a comparison in mind for our current scheme. Obviously, you care about it but what you can't do is compare ours to anyone's because you don't really know. Offensive football has little to do with scheme and everything to do with execution. If you think for a minute that Iowa's "system" of running a bunch of stretch would work against Texas, you're wrong. That was the whole problem with last night. We didn't think we could run the ball into that front 7 and to be honest, I don't think we could either and I don't have a problem with 10 carries for Montgomery. What I have a problem with is the total touches.
I think two things happened offensively. First, I think the staff thought they couldn't run the football but what they could do is run DM out of the backfield as a decoy to suck someone out of the middle and open up the passing game in the intermediate. What actually happened is that UT didn't respect Montgomery and sat on the middle of the field and Park was rattled, pressing, and didn't simply dump it off to him. They were giving him 3 free ones and we all know he's going to turn that into at least 6. Then, they started getting pressure early so he had to stay in and block a lot. Then Park more or less fell apart for 3 quarters. He kind of collected himself and made some throws later on but it was just to late. The WRs aren't free of blame here either. Murdock made the catch after he fell down but outside of that, they did nothing of note. Eaton had the huge drop. Murdock didn't cut his route off when Park wanted an early, quick throw down the sideline. Not that they were drops, but Butler and Lazard both had chances to bring in tough catches and it didn't happen. Montgomery is the only guy free of blame here and he even dropped one.
At the end of the day, everything went wrong all at once.
Yeah, I don't have a lot of confidence that they would have had much success running the ball last night either. Texas kicked their ass on the LOS. What bothers me is that there didn't seem to be much, if any, effort to put the ball in Montgomery's hands in space where he might have had some room to work with. Didn't help that Park got rattled. Keep in mind that he still doesn't have a ton of experience as the starting QB. Guys get better at handling pressure with experience.
We can't execute because we lack a QB, o-line and majority of time play makers that can not create space. Year-over-year, we have shown that ISU has a hard time recruiting players that fit our "scheme". We could go back and fourth but the current "scheme" has not worked at ISU, nor will it ever work. I'm not basing one game whether our scheme works, we have a proven track record that the uptempo offense is not what ISU should be running. Didn't CPR say one of his biggest regrets was running the uptempo offense because of the talent gap between us and the rest of the Big12?
Well if, you're going to make things up, then it's going to be hard for me to make a point here. You think a team with a struggling OL is going to be better off trying to run it 50 times a game? They aren't. We have arguably the most talent at WR we have ever had here and we just want to leave them on the bench? UT is going to be the 2nd best defense in the league this year and if their trajectory holds, they might be the best. No different scheme was going to change much of anything. It's an old tired talking point for people who can't point out what didn't work for the scheme we are actually running. Like I said, you get Montomgery involved on the perimeter early, it probably changes a lot. There also wasn't reason to think Park was going to play like that. To be honest, he wasn't throwing the ball into coverage and making bad decisions that lead to turnovers with the exception of the 2nd pick. The other two guys were open and the throws were bad. He had a number of throws down the sideline that were bad. I referenced the Murdock play which isn't on him. The bad decisions he was making were essentially not just taking the easy stuff to Montgomery or someone else on the outside when UT continues to leave open zones. That's correctable.
How many winning years has ISU had by running an uptempo scheme? We don't have issues recruiting? I will let our past and current play speak for itself. Previous head coach made comments around the struggles of recruiting and how the uptemp offense was not a good choice for ISU. Believe what you want and all the best with this "scheme".
Boys....boys....and again Boys....At ISU we have tried every offense from the Single Wing to the Spread Offense without a whole lot of success.....
The Reason: "its not the alignment but the alignees"....quoting Donnie Duncan.....There is a whole lot of truth in that statement... but I will give you another one by Earle Bruce..."You cant play what you cant recruit"......In other words the team with the best players will always win or at least usually win....
Thats why recruiting is so important and the next important is, Developing Players .....Something we have failed to do since the days of Dave Hoppmann and Tom Vaughn and the Single Wing....
Until Recruiting and Development of Players gets a whole lot better our football program will continue to struggle ....
Go Cyclones....55 years of Cyclone football and still going strong
The Reason: "its not the alignment but the alignees"....quoting Donnie Duncan.....There is a whole lot of truth in that statement... but I will give you another one by Earle Bruce..."You cant play what you cant recruit"......In other words the team with the best players will always win or at least usually win....
Thats why recruiting is so important and the next important is, Developing Players .....Something we have failed to do since the days of Dave Hoppmann and Tom Vaughn and the Single Wing....
Until Recruiting and Development of Players gets a whole lot better our football program will continue to struggle ....
Go Cyclones....55 years of Cyclone football and still going strong
How many winning years have we had doing something else? How many teams have been as proficient as the last 2 1/3?
That coach doesn't know anything about offense. He had Herman, who had nothing to work with at WR and then hired a bad OC and an OC who the game had passed by. He didn't have a clue what he was doing offensively. It's awful convenient to use his quotes as something meaningful now when you probably weren't when he was here.
Also, we aren't currently struggling at recruiting or at least you have no data to back that up. You're just repeating the same tired talking points.
I agree. If ISU wants to run this zone read crap has got to go. We don't have high class athletes to run it well. Power block for the love of god. We have hog mollies in the Midwest. No excuse.
The ZR isn't a substantial part of this offense. It barely even exists. This take is ignorant.
Really? because if thats what they call power blocking then it's the worst I've ever seen.
Texas is probably going to do something wild this year like lose to Kansas again. The Big 12 is a different beast week-in-week out. Most unpredictable conference by far
Zone Read and zone blocking are not the same thing...at all. We have run plenty of "power" run game stuff too. Zone and "Power" (Man/Gap) are schemes, not acts.
That was mind blowing how quickly they abandoned the run game. With my limited knowledge of football x's and o's, I'm curious as to what makes this year's and 2016's team so much worse at run blocking than 2015? Last year's I kind of get, cuz we simply didn't have bodies, but this year we are much deeper. 2015, when Warren ran for 1300+ yards, our O-line was dominant at run blocking. I can't imagine the personnel being better on a team that also finished just 3-9 and got Rhoads fired.
I'd like to point out that Austen Arnaud threw for 440 yards vs their defense in 2008! Arnaud averaged about 165 passing yards per game in his 4 years at ISU. K-state had some other issues besides the offense.
It was his fault his crappy mechanics lead to the INTs. It was his fault he failed repeatedly to throw the ball away.
That said I have no concern about his ability to grow and develop further.