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Cyinthenorth said:
I suppose I was using "Air Raid" as more of a blanket statement for the Spread Offenses almost all the Big 12 uses. And, while I agree the Big 12 is trending away from being pass happy, there was a 5 year stretch where a large chunk of teams did nothing but air it out. Baylor post RG3, Tx Tech (obvi), Oklahoma State with Weeden and then tried and failed with Chelf and that scrambling QB they used, and TCU liked to go deep with Boykin, who could also run.

Oklahoma and Texas have always been very balanced in their attack, although TX hasn't had a decent QB since McCoy (almost longer than us)
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Art Briles has always been run oriented. Over the last 5 years (RGIII left in 2012) Baylor runs the ball an average of 57.96% of the time. That is third in the Big 12 and would put them 4th in the big tin(14 teams), 5th in the SEC(14 teams), 4th in the PAC(12 teams) and ACC(14 teams).

For comparison...iowa ran the ball 57.43% of the time the last five years. SO Baylor actually runs the ball more than iowa.

Texas is second in the Big 12 running the ball 58.62% of the time. Oklahoma is 5th at 55.65% of the time.

Okie St, TCU and iSu are the most balanced by running the ball 51-51.36% of the time. I would contend iSu would prefer to run more but has been playing catch up for four of the five years under Rhoads.

50% of Big 12 teams run the ball 55% of the time or more. That puts the Big 12 ahead of ACC which has only 28.57% of their teams run the ball 55% of the time or more, PAC 12(41.67%) and below the SEC(64.29%) and big tin(71.43%)
 
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OnlyCyclones said:
I'd only call Tech a true air raid. Tech doesn't care if they throw 50 times. Any other spread in the Big 12 wants to dominate on the ground as much as they do in the air. Baylor, for instance, basically ran a play-action offense out of spread formations, running 55% of the time. They passed for a lot of deep touchdowns, but usually because the defense's safeties had crept into the box to stop the run.
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Yep, except Baylor has run the ball 57.96% of the time over the last 5 years.

The only year Baylor ran less than 55% of the time was 2014 when they ran 54.39%. Of course, that changed the next year when they ran 64.73% of the time
 
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HawkeyeMashup said:
Who claimed this? Iowa fans arent doing that, it is Clone fans saying their RB = Iowa RB. That is laughable.
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Mike Warren-1339 and a 5.9 YPC average his FR year and didn't really play until the third game. First-Team Freshman All-American by the Sporting News, USA Today and FWAA … Big 12 Offensive Freshman of the Year … Big 12 Newcomer of the Year by the AP … Third-Team All-Big 12 by Phil Steele and Honorable Mention All-Big 12 by the Coaches.

Montgomery beat him out and is better


Wadley had 6.43 YPC and 1081 yards
Butler- had 5.14 and 1336 last year at Nevada

Both teams have very goo backfields. I don't know how Butler's game will translate to the big tin.

Wadley is the best so the question is...Is Butler better than either Warren or Montgomery?
 
tazclone said:
Mike Warren-1339 and a 5.9 YPC average his FR year and didn't really play until the third game. First-Team Freshman All-American by the Sporting News, USA Today and FWAA … Big 12 Offensive Freshman of the Year … Big 12 Newcomer of the Year by the AP … Third-Team All-Big 12 by Phil Steele and Honorable Mention All-Big 12 by the Coaches.

Montgomery beat him out and is better


Wadley had 6.43 YPC and 1081 yards
Butler- had 5.14 and 1336 last year at Nevada

Both teams have very goo backfields. I don't know how Butler's game will translate to the big tin.

Wadley is the best so the question is...Is Butler better than either Warren or Montgomery?
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Apples to oranges with the Olines they ran behind. Tough to really know who's better when one may have had bigger holes available.
 
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tazclone said:
Art Briles has always been run oriented. Over the last 5 years (RGIII left in 2012) Baylor runs the ball an average of 57.96% of the time. That is third in the Big 12 and would put them 4th in the big tin(14 teams), 5th in the SEC(14 teams), 4th in the PAC(12 teams) and ACC(14 teams).

For comparison...iowa ran the ball 57.43% of the time the last five years. SO Baylor actually runs the ball more than iowa.

Texas is second in the Big 12 running the ball 58.62% of the time. Oklahoma is 5th at 55.65% of the time.

Okie St, TCU and iSu are the most balanced by running the ball 51-51.36% of the time. I would contend iSu would prefer to run more but has been playing catch up for four of the five years under Rhoads.

50% of Big 12 teams run the ball 55% of the time or more. That puts the Big 12 ahead of ACC which has only 28.57% of their teams run the ball 55% of the time or more, PAC 12(41.67%) and below the SEC(64.29%) and big tin(71.43%)
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Good, well researched post. I hope I didn't take up too much of your afternoon :)
 
OnlyCyclones said:
I'd only call Tech a true air raid. Tech doesn't care if they throw 50 times. Any other spread in the Big 12 wants to dominate on the ground as much as they do in the air. Baylor, for instance, basically ran a play-action offense out of spread formations, running 55% of the time. They passed for a lot of deep touchdowns, but usually because the defense's safeties had crept into the box to stop the run.
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I think this is the misconception I made. Too many painful memories of the Baylor beatdown still scarred on my brain. Bryce Petty going deep time and again as the WR's burned our man coverage. This probably has happened a lot against OU, TCU, Oklahoma State over the years as well I'd imagine, which is where I draw my ill-informed opinion.
 
tazclone said:
Wadley is the best so the question is...Is Butler better than either Warren or Montgomery?
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Yes, Butler is better than both and will run for 1,000 yards. I doubt either Montgomery or Warren will get to 1,000 playing in a defense optional league even.
 
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