Seemingly never ending Iowa MBB thread (still going.....)

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I understand the 1A/4A thing. I played AAU ball in high school as a kid who played 1A ball. I can tell you with great confidence that the 4A guys I played with or against weren't much better (or better at all) than many of the 1,2 or 3A kids I played with or against. Very unnoticeable.

Is the competition in 4A better as a whole? Yes, naturally. But the individual players themselves were hardly any better.

The reason Joe won the award was quite simple. He was lights out this year and had a better year.
 
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The point being made is that Iowa State earned the seed this year specifically because of their performance against a stacked big 12 slate, because we basically crapped the bed in the noncon.

The fact you can't understand this is frankly bizarre.

ISU would have been a 6 seed if they didn't win the Big12 tournment. It isn't like ISU is a 3 seed here because they finished 2nd in the Big12 even though they had a bad non conference.

Heck Baylor was #1 in the country during non con. They had the same conference record as ISU and they dropped clear down to a #3 seed. If the Big12 Lifts teams up, how did they drop so far while finishing 2nd in the Big12.

The fact is each resume is looked at independent of conference. The committee says that, I can't believe you can't see this.
 
ISU would have been a 6 seed if they didn't win the Big12 tournment. It isn't like ISU is a 3 seed here because they finished 2nd in the Big12 even though they had a bad non conference.

Heck Baylor was #1 in the country during non con. They had the same conference record as ISU and they dropped clear down to a #3 seed. If the Big12 Lifts teams up, how did they drop so far while finishing 2nd in the Big12.

The fact is each resume is looked at independent of conference. The committee says that, I can't believe you can't see this.

This literally is an oxymoron, since... you know... over half of the schedule is against teams in your conference.
 
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I understand the 1A/4A thing. I played AAU ball in high school as a kid who played 1A ball. I can tell you with great confidence that the 4A guys I played with or against weren't much better (or better at all) than many of the 1,2 or 3A kids I played with or against. Very unnoticeable.

Is the competition in 4A better as a whole? Yes, naturally. But the individual players themselves were hardly any better.

The reason Joe won the award was quite simple. He was lights out this year and had a better year.


My daughter has done some AAU stuff thisbig business type teams. Some are 2-3K per season and then travel is involved that you pay for yourself. Ripping on possibily half the kids you may getis bad for your organization and could be financially damaging.

We never saw a huge difference in the 1A-4a kids that played

Btw, this mobile ap is almost unusable. Give up correcting somethings because one back stroke and a whole three lines are gone.
 
ISU would have been a 6 seed if they didn't win the Big12 tournment. It isn't like ISU is a 3 seed here because they finished 2nd in the Big12 even though they had a bad non conference.

Heck Baylor was #1 in the country during non con. They had the same conference record as ISU and they dropped clear down to a #3 seed. If the Big12 Lifts teams up, how did they drop so far while finishing 2nd in the Big12.

The fact is each resume is looked at independent of conference. The committee says that, I can't believe you can't see this.

Jesus, dude. You should be able to figure this out. Each resume is looked at independent of conference. Great. Part of that resume is strength of schedule and RPI, which are both HEAVILY influenced by the conference a team is in. ISU earned their seed by creating a resume full of wins over great teams THAT WE PLAYED IN CONFERENCE. If the conference is weaker, those wins don't look as good. Wins in the tournament do NOTHING to improve the conference's strength for the following year. Non-conference wins earlier in the year do.
 
Shouldn't the title of the video state "Iowa State Wins the Big 12 Tournament Championship"?

That is what cracks me up about ISU fans. Saturday night I probably saw 12-15 different posts on my FB feed from ISU fans claiming "Big 12 Champs!!!".

Uh, yeah. It's called the Big 12 Championship.
Good for the Big12, they need some deep runs in the NCAA to change the narrative that then Big12 flops in the NCAA. Every year is a new year. I think either Kansas or ISU makes the Elite 8, WVU has a pretty easy path to the Sweet 16, and Baylor will eithe flame out early or make the Elite 8 it seems.

On paper like every year it looks like the Big12 should make multiple deep runs in the NCAA, we will see if this is the year they actually do it.


You mean like OU getting to the Final Four last year? KU losing to Villanova by an eyelash in the Elite 8? ISU in the Sweet 16?
 
Uh, yeah. It's called the Big 12 Championship.



You mean like OU getting to the Final Four last year? KU losing to Villanova by an eyelash in the Elite 8? ISU in the Sweet 16?
Ask hawk fan s about basketball conference titles and they will talkout the one Horner was on. That was a tourney also.
 
Jesus, dude. You should be able to figure this out. Each resume is looked at independent of conference. Great. Part of that resume is strength of schedule and RPI, which are both HEAVILY influenced by the conference a team is in. ISU earned their seed by creating a resume full of wins over great teams THAT WE PLAYED IN CONFERENCE. If the conference is weaker, those wins don't look as good. Wins in the tournament do NOTHING to improve the conference's strength for the following year. Non-conference wins earlier in the year do.

It is like some of you don't thing there is basketball outside of the Big12. I also can't believe you all don't understand the committee looks at each team independent of conference, it isn't all the same, even
In a round robin setup.

Baylor played 8 conference teams
With a top 50 RPI. And 13 against top 100 RPI. Conference SOS #39

Iowa played 8 conference teams with a top 50 RPI and 14 vs top 100 RPI. Conference SOS #50

Michigan played 10 conference teams with top 50 RPI and 18 vs top 100 RPI. Conference SOS #30

West Virginia conference SOS #48
Kansas Conference SOS #49
ISU conference SOS #22


The committee looks are each resume independent. Other "weaker" conferences face tougher schedules as they are unbalanced.
 
It is like some of you don't thing there is basketball outside of the Big12. I also can't believe you all don't understand the committee looks at each team independent of conference, it isn't all the same, even
In a round robin setup.

Baylor played 8 conference teams
With a top 50 RPI. And 13 against top 100 RPI. Conference SOS #39

Iowa played 8 conference teams with a top 50 RPI and 14 vs top 100 RPI. Conference SOS #50

Michigan played 10 conference teams with top 50 RPI and 18 vs top 100 RPI. Conference SOS #30

West Virginia conference SOS #48
Kansas Conference SOS #49
ISU conference SOS #22


The committee looks are each resume independent. Other "weaker" conferences face tougher schedules as they are unbalanced.

The committee may completely disregard which conference a team is in when comparing for seeding an at large spots, but the conference affiliation is very important and is built into most of the metrics they use like RPI.
 
Ask hawk fan s about basketball conference titles and they will talkout the one Horner was on. That was a tourney also.

If any Iowa fans claim the Big 10 Tournament titles from 2001 and 2006 as conference championships then they are foolish.

OSU won the Big 10 in 2006 and Illinois and MSU shared it in 2001.
 
It is like some of you don't thing there is basketball outside of the Big12. I also can't believe you all don't understand the committee looks at each team independent of conference, it isn't all the same, even
In a round robin setup.

Baylor played 8 conference teams
With a top 50 RPI. And 13 against top 100 RPI. Conference SOS #39

Iowa played 8 conference teams with a top 50 RPI and 14 vs top 100 RPI. Conference SOS #50

Michigan played 10 conference teams with top 50 RPI and 18 vs top 100 RPI. Conference SOS #30

West Virginia conference SOS #48
Kansas Conference SOS #49
ISU conference SOS #22


The committee looks are each resume independent. Other "weaker" conferences face tougher schedules as they are unbalanced.

I'm starting to think you're an idiot.
 
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If any Iowa fans claim the Big 10 Tournament titles from 2001 and 2006 as conference championships then they are foolish.

OSU won the Big 10 in 2006 and Illinois and MSU shared it in 2001.

Don't tell that to Patrick and Connor, they think OSU, Illinois and MSU didn't deserve to win it back in 2006 and 2001
 
Listening to Sports Fanatics podcast from yesterday, wow does Patrick sound like an enittled baby. Said he was tweeting #NotMyMrIowaBasketball and #MoneyGrab

Money grab? What the heck does that even mean and what is Fran's son doing?
 
If any Iowa fans claim the Big 10 Tournament titles from 2001 and 2006 as conference championships then they are foolish.

OSU won the Big 10 in 2006 and Illinois and MSU shared it in 2001.
If you are still obsessing over the t shirts, the big 12 has them printed not I S U.
 
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