5 are locks right now. I think TCU or KSU gets in as well, if not both. It's a very weak bubble this year.
Lower half of the Big 12 fading badly
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You guys haven't looked at the crappy resumes of the teams on the bubble, have you?
They don't care enough about basketball to make a move soon. He'll get 2-3 more years.
I just have a hard time seeing the Big 12 only get 5 teams in. Just looking at Lunardi, take a look at some of the teams he has on the outside that would bounce them out. I could see Illinois State jumping in just based on record, but against a weak, weak schedule. Tennessee and Vanderbilt are both 15-13 with a losing record in the SEC. Clemsen is 14-13 and 4-11 in the ACC. Wake Forrest is 16-12 and 7-9 in the ACC. Indiana is 15-13 and 5-10 in the Big 10. Pitt is 15-13 and 4-11 in the ACC. Providence is 17-11 and a losing Big East record. Texas Tech is Texas Tech.
Who among those Next 8 teams that Lunardi has on the edge of the tournament have better resume's than Kansas State and TCU.
I mean, Illinois State has a great record, but they have 2 Top 100 wins. Providence will likely end up 19-12 and .500 in conference. They also have a lot of Top 50 wins, but also have 2 sub 200 losses. Here is a blind resume for you based on pre-conference tournament projections.
Team A
Overall: 18-12
Conference: 8-10
Top 50: 2-10
Top 100: 6-12
Sub 100 losses: none
best road win: #64
Team B
Overall: 19-12
Conference: 9-9
Top 50: 3-9
Top 100: 10-11
Sub 100 losses: 1
Best road win: #92
Team C
Overall:19-12
Conference: 8-10
Top 50: 3-8
Top 100: 5-12
Sub 100 losses: none
best road wins: #8, #30
Team D
Overall: 19-12
Conference: 9-9
Top 50: 5-7
Top 100: 9-9
Sub 100 losses: 3 (2 sub 200 losses)
best road wins: #25
Team E
Overall: 16-14
Conference: 8-10
Top 50: 4-7
Top 100: 8-13
Sub 100 losses: 1
best road wins: #25
Team F
Overall: 19-11
Conference: 9-9
Top 50: 4-7
Top 100: 8-10
Sub 100 losses: 1
best road wins: #75
Team G
Overall: 18-12
Conference: 9-9
Top 50: 5-8
Top 100: 9-11
Sub 100 losses: 1
best road wins: #27
Team H
Overall: 16-14
Conference: 9-9
Top 50: 2-10
Top 100: 9-13
Sub 100 losses: 1
best road wins: #50
Team I
Overall: 18-13
Conference: 10-8
Top 50: 6-7
Top 100: 10-10
Sub 100 losses: 3 (1 sub 200 loss)
best road wins: #60
Thats 9 teams. 7 of those 9 are currently in per Lunardi. Palm has 8 of 9 in. Dance Card has 8/9 in.
Give me the 3 worst teams of that group.
Who among those Next 8 teams that Lunardi has on the edge of the tournament have better resume's than Kansas State and TCU.
I mean, Illinois State has a great record, but they have 2 Top 100 wins. Providence will likely end up 19-12 and .500 in conference. They also have a lot of Top 50 wins, but also have 2 sub 200 losses. Here is a blind resume for you based on pre-conference tournament projections.
Team A
Overall: 18-12
Conference: 8-10
Top 50: 2-10
Top 100: 6-12
Sub 100 losses: none
best road win: #64
Team B
Overall: 19-12
Conference: 9-9
Top 50: 3-9
Top 100: 10-11
Sub 100 losses: 1
Best road win: #92
Team C
Overall:19-12
Conference: 8-10
Top 50: 3-8
Top 100: 5-12
Sub 100 losses: none
best road wins: #8, #30
Team D
Overall: 19-12
Conference: 9-9
Top 50: 5-7
Top 100: 9-9
Sub 100 losses: 3 (2 sub 200 losses)
best road wins: #25
Team E
Overall: 16-14
Conference: 8-10
Top 50: 4-7
Top 100: 8-13
Sub 100 losses: 1
best road wins: #25
Team F
Overall: 19-11
Conference: 9-9
Top 50: 4-7
Top 100: 8-10
Sub 100 losses: 1
best road wins: #75
Team G
Overall: 18-12
Conference: 9-9
Top 50: 5-8
Top 100: 9-11
Sub 100 losses: 1
best road wins: #27
Team H
Overall: 16-14
Conference: 9-9
Top 50: 2-10
Top 100: 9-13
Sub 100 losses: 1
best road wins: #50
Team I
Overall: 18-13
Conference: 10-8
Top 50: 6-7
Top 100: 10-10
Sub 100 losses: 3 (1 sub 200 loss)
best road wins: #60
Thats 9 teams. 7 of those 9 are currently in per Lunardi. Palm has 8 of 9 in. Dance Card has 8/9 in.
Give me the 3 worst teams of that group.
I agree Tuco. This is a very weak bubble year. We may not get 7 like many folks thought earlier in the year but I am very confident we will get 6 at least.
You haven't looked at TCU's and KSU's crappy resumes yet have you? KSU isn't getting in this year. TCU still has a chance, but there is work for them to do.
I think KSU and TCU both need two more wins to get in. TCU beating West Virginia would be huge for them. I hope they do it.
We're right next to OKSt in most metrics and bracket predictions. Would be almost impossible to be seeded behind them if we sweep them and finish several wins ahead of them in the same round robin.
I think we'll get 6 in. The 6th team will be one of TCU/KSU/TTU, whoever can have the best finish to the year. I think the only way we get 7 in, is if one team finishes strong enough to have a good enough resume to get a bid and another ends up winning the Big 12 Tournament for an auto bid.
Both have to go to OU, and thats a must win for both teams. TCU hosts WVU, while KSU hosts Tech. They also play each other in FW.
KSU can probably sneak in if they win 2 of their last 3, and will for sure be in if they win all 3. They have road wins at OSU and Baylor. TCU's road is a little tougher, but if they win on Saturday against WVU, plus one of their last 2, I think they are in, and if they win all 3 its for sure. Getting to the quarterfinals in Kansas City for either team would also go a long ways.
They are flat out bad too. Them and Indiana make my eyes hurt watching them.
I think he was talking about the other OSU (Oklahoma State). Ohio State is terrible.
Agree. UT got tons of preseason love, and I was skeptical ... I still thought Texas had a legit shot to make the tournament.
I honestly prefer only getting 6 in if it's because our top 5 teams are all holding or improving their seeds which is pretty much the past 2-3 weeks of results. I think as of today that 6th team is KState but TCU could easily swap positions with them.
The thing is, the bottom of the conference is better, and the conference as a whole is better. We just don't have the 2 bottom feeders that everyone beats to boost others records up to where 7 could get in.
For those that don't want bottom feeders, this will likely be the case going forward where 5 or 6 teams only get in until we can find that bottom feeder (looking at you KSU)
I didn't catch the TCU game last night, but my thought was TCU, but both have a similar recent trajectory (K State's is worse though).