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*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Wednesday, June 3 ***

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IAmNotTheMayor said:
Thought experiment... if you were a head coach, would you rather go a scenario where?
  1. you have a loaded roster year 1 with massive expectations, but the cupboard is potentially bare year 2
  2. you have a longer leash year 1 to make some adjustments and implement your system, and you have a solid core of underclassmen/recruits that you can build around or use as role players
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You can establish yourself as a good coach with year one and then be able to get YOUR players on the team in year two and possibly still have a very good year.
 
isutrevman said:
How do you know he wasn't offered more money and turned it down anyway?
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Because Fred said he wouldn't let it get to the point of an offer. If an offer was made, I'm assuming Fred would have said ISU offered him more, but this isn't about money. The only conclusion that I can draw from Fred's statement is that JP probably asked if there was anything they could offer for him to stay, Fred said no, and that was that. IMO you still put an offer in front of him to decline.
 
clonetil01 said:
Larry Brown actually makes a ton of sense. He doesn't like to stay places long but destroys it(in a good way) wherever he goes. It's scary how good we could be with him coaching this years team. If TJ is in our long term plans, than who better for him to learn from for a couple years. I'd bet Brown would be game to take this thing on for a 3 year contract to have a real shot at a NC, then bolt after 2 years and TJ is probably more ready. As crazy as it sounded at first, I love it.
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It would be awesome, but I don't know if it is realistic.
 
Gunnerclone said:
You don't not fit that mold working with those two guys. Look at WVU's bench during their games. Huggins out 5 feet on the court or leaning on the scores table constantly taking the refs attention. Every asst. on the bench up shouting and wildly waving their arms at all times.
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That sounds exactly like the mold.... ???

Edit: Sorry - double negative to lead it off got me. :wink:
 
jpete24 said:
Jeremy, if this is the case, why didn't we at least explore the option to give Fred that and keep him? This leads me to believe that Fred didn't give a rats butt about the money, but basically said what he said in the press conference, "here is my list of NBA coaching jobs, if any of those come up during my tenure at Iowa State, I'd be interested in leaving for them."
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Fred refused to discuss...he was gone from the gitgo. He was headed to bulls awhile back.
 
ISUCubswin said:
I heard rumor that Coach K wants to give us another shot and might come here.
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Ha ha! Suck it Randy Pete.

(Randy - these are jokes. These are all jokes. No one expects Coach K to come here. You are being wildly inaccurate if you report Cyclone fans think they can get coach K. Which, come to think of it, is simply par for the course for you ... so have at it.)
 
Kurttr said:
Very disappointed to see Altman is the mystery candidate. Very underwhelmed. Have you watched his Oregon teams play? Looked to me to be very undisciplined and arrogant. Not what I'd want representing ISU.

Funny that some are so down on TJ but excited about Altman. He flunked out as K State head coach the first time around. While he's "stabilized" at Creighton and then Oregon, I'd much rather have the potential of TJ then the known of Altman.

First on my list would be Hornacek. Then, TJ and whomever the top mid-majors are - Underwood seems like he might be worth a hard look - has Power 5/Big 12 assistant experience as well - just would have to make sure the buyout is huge re: K State.
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I would take Altman in a heartbeat. Oregon was 24-39 in the 2 years prior to Altman taking over. Altman has been at Oregon for the same 5 year stretch that Hoiberg was at ISU. Year 1 Altman wins 21 games, year 2 he wins 24 games, year 3 he wins 28 games, year 4 he wins 24 games, and year 5 he wins 26 games. He took Oregon (not a basketball school) to 3 straight NCAA tourney appearances, has won his first game each time, and took the Ducks to a Sweet 16. His road record at Oregon is 26-25 in 5 years... Hoiberg's road record at ISU... 19-35 in his 5 years. Hoiberg won 115 games in that span while Altman won 123 games.

Hoiberg led ISU to 12th place, 3rd place, 4th place, 3rd place, and 2nd place finishes in the Big XII in his 5 years. Altman led Oregon to 7th place, 2nd place, 2nd place, 3rd place, and 2nd place finishes in the Pac 12 in his 5 years.

Now you can argue strength between the conferences over that time span as the Big XII was better in most regards but you could also argue that Iowa State had more talent on their roster in each of those seasons so it's a wash IMO.
 
Just catching up on Marty & Miller podcast. Miller still fully running with the Georges hates TJ narrative lol.
 
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LutherBlue said:
Indeed. Fred learned the game from Johnny, Tim Floyd, Larry Brown, Larry Bird, Flip Saunders, Kevin McHale ... multiple hall of famers.

TJ spent three years with Fred. Who are his other mentors? McDermott and Romar?

FWIW, I think the controversy at Oregon disqualifies Altman given the Dept. of Education's current interest in ISU's Title IX compliance (along with 100 or so other institutions around the country).
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Disagree that the Oregon situation should even be a factor in Altman. You are basically saying that any "allegation" must mean automatic no affilitation. So.....Royce White should never have been allowed here under Fred.

Not sure who you are advocating here but the resumes and affiliations of the mid-majors listed are not overly impressive IMO.

To me, Altman is a slam dunk hire who might not even be available otherwise, except for wanting a new start and getting away from Oregon. Use that to our advantage. The guy can flat out coach......there is NO doubt about it.
 
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Just a little note on Underwood at SFA...played at Kstate...recently turned down job offers at Marshall and Southern miss...he was associate HC at Kstate under Martin and Huggins and was instrumental in revitalizing Kstate for 7 years after they were awful...not saying Underwood is our guy but he knows how the big 12 operates very well..better than anyone probably and he's recruited to it.
A little bio..

"Brad has a wealth of experience after serving for 16 years as a Division I assistant and six years as a head coach at the junior college level," Martin said. "He is a strong recruiter and excellent bench coach."
Underwood joined the Kansas State staff in May 2006 as the director of operations for then-head coach Bob Huggins. After serving in that capacity for the 2006-07 campaign, Underwood was promoted to assistant coach prior to the 2007-08 season, Martin's first as the head coach at KSU. At Kansas State, Underwood helped coach several all-conference players and two All-Americans, while during his time as an assistant and associate head coach for Kansas State, the squad won at least 21 games each season, while finishing fifth or higher in the Big 12 each year.
During his first season as an assistant (2007-08), Underwood helped guide the Wildcats to a 21-12 record and third-place finish in the Big 12 with a mark of 10-6 in league contests, which marked the program's best finish since the inception of the league. The squad advanced to the NCAA Tournament, and the program earned its first NCAA Tournament victory since the 1988 campaign.
Kansas State earned an at-large bid to the Postseason NIT during the 2008-09 campaign, and the 2009-10 team followed with one of the best seasons in program history, compiling a school-record 29 wins, en route to the program's first NCAA Tournament Elite Eight appearance in over two decades. The Wildcats defeated six ranked opponents that season, and concluded the year ranked in the Top 10 in both the ESPN/USA Today Coaches Top 25 Poll (No. 7) and the Associated Press Top 25 Poll (No. 7).
 
Cy$ said:
Out of CW list, my preference is

1) Hornacek, sounds like it's not happening though
2) Underwood, get him before K St. hires him next year. Might not come here but worth a shot. Knows what it takes to win in the Big 12. Assistant for Huggins and Martin. Major reason why Martin did well at Kansas St.
3) Altman, 2nd best coach on the list but with the scandal at Oregon I don't see Pollard hiring him
4) Rice, good coach with a unique recruiting style. Very good defensive coach
5) Otz, good recruiter, very risky hire with no head coaching experience.
6) Prohm, not sold on him at all. Murray St. has been good for awhile now.

I'm the lone member of #TeamUnderwood
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No you aren't CY$. I am a member of #TeamUnderwood as well. Would be a good hire. Just give him a $5 million dollar buyout for KSU and then you are in business. But they guy can coach.
 
Why would anyone be underwhelmed by Coach Dana Altman? Really? The guy has been in the business for a LONG time and all he knows is WINNING! He recruits well, and is a terrific X's and O's guy. Offense is similar to Coach Hoiberg. Altman like Coach Tim Floyd has well structured, disciplined teams with a great focus on defense. I'd definitely be on board with an Altman hire. In fact, if memory serves he was a candidate after McDermott left.

Cyclonestate78 said:
I would take Altman in a heartbeat. Oregon was 24-39 in the 2 years prior to Altman taking over. Altman has been at Oregon for the same 5 year stretch that Hoiberg was at ISU. Year 1 Altman wins 21 games, year 2 he wins 24 games, year 3 he wins 28 games, year 4 he wins 24 games, and year 5 he wins 26 games. He took Oregon (not a basketball school) to 3 straight NCAA tourney appearances, has won his first game each time, and took the Ducks to a Sweet 16. His road record at Oregon is 26-25 in 5 years... Hoiberg's road record at ISU... 19-35 in his 5 years. Hoiberg won 115 games in that span while Altman won 123 games.

Hoiberg led ISU to 12th place, 3rd place, 4th place, 3rd place, and 2nd place finishes in the Big XII in his 5 years. Altman led Oregon to 7th place, 2nd place, 2nd place, 3rd place, and 2nd place finishes in the Pac 12 in his 5 years.

Now you can argue strength between the conferences over that time span as the Big XII was better in most regards but you could also argue that Iowa State had more talent on their roster in each of those seasons so it's a wash IMO.
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Cyclonestate78 said:
I would take Altman in a heartbeat. Oregon was 24-39 in the 2 years prior to Altman taking over. Altman has been at Oregon for the same 5 year stretch that Hoiberg was at ISU. Year 1 Altman wins 21 games, year 2 he wins 24 games, year 3 he wins 28 games, year 4 he wins 24 games, and year 5 he wins 26 games. He took Oregon (not a basketball school) to 3 straight NCAA tourney appearances, has won his first game each time, and took the Ducks to a Sweet 16. His road record at Oregon is 26-25 in 5 years... Hoiberg's road record at ISU... 19-35 in his 5 years. Hoiberg won 115 games in that span while Altman won 123 games.

Hoiberg led ISU to 12th place, 3rd place, 4th place, 3rd place, and 2nd place finishes in the Big XII in his 5 years. Altman led Oregon to 7th place, 2nd place, 2nd place, 3rd place, and 2nd place finishes in the Pac 12 in his 5 years.

Now you can argue strength between the conferences over that time span as the Big XII was better in most regards but you could also argue that Iowa State had more talent on their roster in each of those seasons so it's a wash IMO.
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The problem is altman is good'but not great as several of his teams faltered down the stretch. I have watched altman a ton and he will not match fred's winning.
 
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