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I'm pretty sure Fred himself has said his desire is to coach in the NBA someday. There should have been no speculation on that. The only speculation should be on when Fred wants to make that leap.
Link? He said he liked watching it and that is where the coaching minds are. I have never heard him say he will one day coach there or that is his lifelong goal etc. while I have no doubt it is true it does no good (with the exception bracing fans for the possibility) and a lot of harm to put that out there. If Fred had done it would have been dumb for him too, but at least I would get why he would do so (to protect the goodwill W/fans).
 
If Hoiberg comes back I don't think what JP said made anything worse. Could you imagine Fred turning down a top 5 NBA job (when it's common knowledge his goal is to coach in the NBA) to stay at ISU? That's some good publicity
It would be good regardless. Hoiberg had to promise Niang 4 years you don't think other recruits are going to ask for that? It would be naive to think otherwise (and Fred imo is a lot less likely to outright lie). Maybe it's why we hadn't signed a US HS recruit since 2012 until we signed NN. Can't imagine it getting easier if Fred feels the possibility is real. Maybe it's why we went after 1 and dones, figured a 1 year commitment and lack of long term commitment may be easier sell? Who knows but having been recruited out of HS I would have been less likely to jump if it looked like a coach was their only a year and certainly not 4.
 
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It would be good regardless. Hoiberg had to promise Niang 4 years you don't think other recruits are going to ask for that? It would be naive to think otherwise. Maybe it's why we hadn't signed a US HS recruit since 2012 until we signed NN. Can't imagine it getting easier if Fred feels the possibility is real. Maybe it's why we went after 1 and dones, figured a 1 year commitment and lack of long term commitment may be easier?

No I don't think he does and I don't think that really plays a factor into it IMO
 
It may be to the point that Fred can't recruit at an elite level due to the constant NBA talk so leaving may be the best for all. Unless he totally commits to the college game (which he won't) the constant talk will always keep ISU a notch below what Fred's goal is. Good recruits have to weigh playing for a great coach against his remaining tenure. There are lots of great coaches that appear to be content at their schools. It's rare for a kid to commit to a school and not a coach.
 
It may be to the point that Fred can't recruit at an elite level due to the constant NBA talk so leaving may be the best for all. Unless he totally commits to the college game (which he won't) the constant talk will always keep ISU a notch below what Fred's goal is. Good recruits have to weigh playing for a great coach against his remaining tenure. There are lots of great coaches that appear to be content at their schools. It's rare for a kid to commit to a school and not a coach.
Exactly. For the 2016 class we need a good HS base and so I feel like Fred at least has to make a short term commitment and fill in the gaps with transfers and jucos. So like Blum said if he is going soon anyway it may be good for us that it is this year. I would obviously rather have Fred for another 4 years, but am beginning to feel that may be unrealistic. Though if he does come back I would guess it would be longer than a year. I think he leaves now or he commits at least in his mind and to recruits for the next few years. I doubt he just commits for the year.
 
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It may be to the point that Fred can't recruit at an elite level due to the constant NBA talk so leaving may be the best for all. Unless he totally commits to the college game (which he won't) the constant talk will always keep ISU a notch below what Fred's goal is. Good recruits have to weigh playing for a great coach against his remaining tenure. There are lots of great coaches that appear to be content at their schools. It's rare for a kid to commit to a school and not a coach.

I'd love to see CFH come out and say no the the NBA and yes to ISU for the long term* like Kevin Ollie did this year with UConn.

*If you end up lying later then that's that. So many coaches do it like Steve Alford and Bobby Hurley signing extensions with a school then taking a different job less than two months later.
 
I'd love to see CFH come out and say no the the NBA and yes to ISU for the long term* like Kevin Ollie did this year with UConn.

*If you end up lying later then that's that. So many coaches do it like Steve Alford and Bobby Hurley signing extensions with a school then taking a different job less than two months later.

I think we would all be fine with that, we all know someday he is going to want to try it. Just because today he says he is committed to ISU long term and winning a championship, then 3 years from now he takes a job in the NBA about of the blue.

Versus now he is viewed as having one foot out the door and i am sure makes a recruit worry that come July the guy he committed to play for his gone.
 
I think we would all be fine with that, we all know someday he is going to want to try it. Just because today he says he is committed to ISU long term and winning a championship, then 3 years from now he takes a job in the NBA about of the blue.

Versus now he is viewed as having one foot out the door and i am sure makes a recruit worry that come July the guy he committed to play for his gone.
I agree, lie to us Fred for the good of ISU!
 
I agree JP should have said something else, but even if he did, these recruits aren't dumb. They know Fred's name comes up every off season, and opposing coaches didn't just start using this against us after JP's comments.

There's only one thing that can answer the recruit's questioning, and that is Fred telling them he'll be around next year, whether that's private or public, shouldn't matter. Problem is, these recruits are going to be here more than a year. I guess if I was Fred, I'd probably just tell them what they want to hear.

Most of his response just reiterated what everyone has known for a long time.

What's causing concern is his statement re: if Fred will be here this year. "I hope so" isn't exactly the type of statement you want from an AD with whom Fred has undoubtedly discussed the issue. Add this to Fred's answer to if he'll be here this year being "I'm planning on it," you have the uncertainty everyone is experiencing.

I think the Cavs close it out tonight vs. the Bulls, so we should know fairly soon where things stand.
 
It may be to the point that Fred can't recruit at an elite level due to the constant NBA talk so leaving may be the best for all. Unless he totally commits to the college game (which he won't) the constant talk will always keep ISU a notch below what Fred's goal is. Good recruits have to weigh playing for a great coach against his remaining tenure. There are lots of great coaches that appear to be content at their schools. It's rare for a kid to commit to a school and not a coach.

And that's probably why they brought in TJ, and it looks like he's running the offer machine. Let the kids build a relationship with TJ instead of Fred. If Fred did leave this year or next, TJ will be considered for head coach, and even if another coach is hired, my guess is, it's almost guaranteed the new coach retains TJ.
 
And that's probably why they brought in TJ, and it looks like he's running the offer machine. Let the kids build a relationship with TJ instead of Fred. If Fred did leave this year or next, TJ will be considered for head coach, and even if another coach is hired, my guess is, it's almost guaranteed the new coach retains TJ.

100%.
 
And that's probably why they brought in TJ, and it looks like he's running the offer machine. Let the kids build a relationship with TJ instead of Fred. If Fred did leave this year or next, TJ will be considered for head coach, and even if another coach is hired, my guess is, it's almost guaranteed the new coach retains TJ.

Yep and this is almost exactly what Jeremy said he got from talking to Otz and others. Which is why I am ok with this. They have a plan and I think we may take some lumps regardless but they will mitigate to the best degree possible. I am OK with shooting for Horny or a big name and going Otz if we fail.
 
And that's probably why they brought in TJ, and it looks like he's running the offer machine. Let the kids build a relationship with TJ instead of Fred. If Fred did leave this year or next, TJ will be considered for head coach, and even if another coach is hired, my guess is, it's almost guaranteed the new coach retains TJ.

Well said. I have thought the same thing with the way TJ has been out blasting offers for 2016-2018... If he is not the next head coach, he will most likely still be here with whomever (when that time comes)
 
Yep and this is almost exactly what Jeremy said he got from talking to Otz and others. Which is why I am ok with this. They have a plan and I think we may take some lumps regardless but they will mitigate to the best degree possible. I am OK with shooting for Horny or a big name and going Otz if we fail.

I agree. I just hope JP really does try to land a big coach and not just half *** it, and settle for TJ. The father down the line this hire happens, the less nervous I'd feel about bringing in TJ though.
 
I agree. I just hope JP really does try to land a big coach and not just half *** it, and settle for TJ. The father down the line this hire happens, the less nervous I'd feel about bringing in TJ though.

As a program, we're better than a TJ type hire.

That isn't to say that he can't or won't some day be a very successful coach, but ISU should not be his first job, with the condition the program is in.

-We are roughly the #2-3 MBB program in the B12 currently.
-4 straight NCAA appearances, proving that you can win consistently here.
-If Fred goes that will be two coaches in recent history that have went from ISU to the NBA so it is a respected job.
-Hilton + a non-con schedule almost guarantees you 15-16 wins every year, so you just have to find 5-7 more to get a NCAA birth.
-Fan support secondly only to KU in the B12.
-We're paying Fred $2.6/yr so we have the financial resources to compete for top NCAA coaching salaries.
-Facilities are competitive with most top 25 programs outside of a few of the blue blood schools.
 
As a program, we're better than a TJ type hire.

That isn't to say that he can't or won't some day be a very successful coach, but ISU should not be his first job, with the condition the program is in.

-We are roughly the #2-3 MBB program in the B12 currently.
-4 straight NCAA appearances, proving that you can win consistently here.
-If Fred goes that will be two coaches in recent history that have went from ISU to the NBA so it is a respected job.
-Hilton + a non-con schedule almost guarantees you 15-16 wins every year, so you just have to find 5-7 more to get a NCAA birth.
-Fan support secondly only to KU in the B12.
-We're paying Fred $2.6/yr so we have the financial resources to compete for top NCAA coaching salaries.
-Facilities are competitive with most top 25 programs outside of a few of the blue blood schools.

I'll say this again. We aren't going to get a better recruiter and we aren't going to get anyone that plays a style that so closely resembles Hoiball as Otz. Be careful what you wish for.
 
As a program, we're better than a TJ type hire.

That isn't to say that he can't or won't some day be a very successful coach, but ISU should not be his first job, with the condition the program is in.

-We are roughly the #2-3 MBB program in the B12 currently.
-4 straight NCAA appearances, proving that you can win consistently here.
-If Fred goes that will be two coaches in recent history that have went from ISU to the NBA so it is a respected job.
-Hilton + a non-con schedule almost guarantees you 15-16 wins every year, so you just have to find 5-7 more to get a NCAA birth.
-Fan support secondly only to KU in the B12.
-We're paying Fred $2.6/yr so we have the financial resources to compete for top NCAA coaching salaries.
-Facilities are competitive with most top 25 programs outside of a few of the blue blood schools.

All those are true, but it's an odd spot to be. We're not good enough to pluck away a successful coach at a similar school, we're not getting a blue blood coach, and there really isn't any proven coaches, that wouldn't be a significant risk, at lower level schools.

I'm not sure I wanna start a replacement coach debate here, right now, but there really isn't many options.
 
Agreed. I think the style is the big selling point for ISU. Besides Fred H. Which is a big selling point.

I'll say this again. We aren't going to get a better recruiter and we aren't going to get anyone that plays a style that so closely resembles Hoiball as Otz. Be careful what you wish for.
 
There is absolutely no reason TJ should be considered for the HC unless ISU sees itself on the level of UWGB.
Otz is the lead assistant for a coach who can't go out and recruit right now so of course he was going to be handing out a lot of offers during the live period. That is nothing new.
Mann is also out on the recruiting trail and is going to tailgate tour stops so it's not just Otz.
Also no one knows what kind of system Otz would run so I don't think you could say he would be the closest to Hoiball that we could land.
And they can get a better recruiter. There are assistants at the blue bloods that are great recruiters waiting to be a head coach.
 
With all due respect, you guys are ruining the one good thread left on CF.

There's 48 other threads you can discuss Fred and TJ and how it affects recruiting.
 

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