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Stormin said:
BS on your first comment. David Sims was voted Defensive newcomer of the Year in the Big 12........he was a CPR recruit. Great safety. No way we win without him. Arnaud and ARob were DMac recruits. Yes CPR had a lot of players that were not his recruits that first year. But he had some decent success meaning he knows how to coach. And our schedule that first year was fairly easy playing in the Big 12 North Division and avoiding Texas and Oklahoma that season.

At least get your facts straight. You are not a good "mentor".
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And CPR brought in every single player on the roster in years 5-6 and what were our records in those years?

The only reason CPR is our coach this year is because of his rediculous contract. We went winless in the conference last year, and we lost to the 1-8 conference team by three ******* touchdowns. I don't give a **** about the schedule in 2009, I don't give a **** about the schedule Mac had, I don't give a **** about the schedule this year. Win games period. We have five home wins over the last three seasons. We have a losing record to 1AA teams. Yet you want to keep CPR cause he wants to be here and wouldn't leave. Really?
 
SeaClone said:
Maybe you should go take a peek at our historical records in football, count the number of 8 win seasons (i.e., 5 since 1968), and then come back and pontificate how it shouldn't be hard to consistently field 8-win teams. That is not a realistic expectation or perspective at this point in time.
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So if you were a Cubs fan, would you never want to win the world series?
 
Or hell, even more relevant, look at ISU's history in basketball. I guess none of us should aspire to a National Championship under Hoiberg.
 
EnhancedFujita said:
Or hell, even more relevant, look at ISU's history in basketball. I guess none of us should aspire to a National Championship under Hoiberg.
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We can aspire to a lot of things or be hopeful about a lot of things. Of course I am hopeful we can win a NC in hoops. You said it shouldn't be that hard to consistently have 8 win seasons. Based on ISU's history, it is in fact hard. If it wasn't that hard, it would have happened at some point. Using your hoops analogy, it shouldn't be that hard to consistently make the elite 8 and win the conference. I also don't think that is a reasonable position to take, certainly not historically, but even with the hoops renaissance we've experienced under Hoiberg.
 
Stormin said:
BS on the Gene Chizik comment. Complete BS.

Oregon.........Rich Brooks.......won 4 games total in years 5 and 6. Hmmmmmm.......I guess that would be worse than CPR's record wouldn't it?

And in his 7th year, Rich Brooks won 4 games.

Congrats on your failed 8th post.
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You having to go back to the early 80s basically proves the point.
 
Cymentor said:
This, obviously this. The opposite is so mind numbingly laughably stupid. A coach that came to ISU and won 8 games in year 3 or 4 and left to go to Texas or USC would be a godsend. It would arguably be the best thing to happen to ISU in the history of the program.
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Kind of like the guy that won 8 games a season three years in a row (see photo at left) and got taken away from us by Ohio State. I would sign up for that again in a heartbeat. Hell, I'd gladly accept one or two 8 win seasons and then have our guy poached by one of the blue bloods.
 
norcalcy said:
Kind of like the guy that won 8 games a season three years in a row (see photo at left) and got taken away from us by Ohio State. I would sign up for that again in a heartbeat. Hell, I'd gladly accept one or two 8 win seasons and then have our guy poached by one of the blue bloods.
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And that was with an 11 game season. I think having the 12 games should make it easier to get to 6-8 wins, but on the other hand, having 9 conference games is a bear.
 
I would definitely want Stormin to have my back on any issue. Having said that, reading his posts in this thread make me think of this guy:


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SeaClone said:
We can aspire to a lot of things or be hopeful about a lot of things. Of course I am hopeful we can win a NC in hoops. You said it shouldn't be that hard to consistently have 8 win seasons. Based on ISU's history, it is in fact hard. If it wasn't that hard, it would have happened at some point. Using your hoops analogy, it shouldn't be that hard to consistently make the elite 8 and win the conference. I also don't think that is a reasonable position to take, certainly not historically, but even with the hoops renaissance we've experienced under Hoiberg.
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8 wins in football does not equal elite 8's and winning the conference in basketball. 8 wins is a very average football team. It should not be hard to develop a very average football team, despite what history says. Our historic lack of success has nothing to do with what we do in the future.
 
I would love 8 wins as a norm, but I'd take 6-7 a year regularly.

3 non con wins + Kansas, Texas Tech, and one more. Right now that should be very doable.
 
Let me clarify that I don't think we should be winning 8 minimum every year, but we should be working towards a program that has the capability to do that, but knowing that some years we'd fall short and some year over achieve.

I still contend that it shouldn't be that hard to develop a team that can do that. We lose to FCS schools for crying out loud.
 
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EnhancedFujita said:
Let me clarify that I don't think we should be winning 8 minimum every year, but we should be working towards a program that has the capability to do that, but knowing that some years we'd fall short and some year over achieve. I still contend that it shouldn't be that hard to develop a team that can do that. We lose to FCS schools for crying out loud.
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And I still think your contention is misinformed. I bet you'd be surprised how few teams average 8 wins a year. That is actually a pretty high mark to reach, for any non-elite program. When you take into account the disadvantages we have in terms of historical prestige, location, and lack of local talent, it is an inconceivable mark at this point in time. I didn't run the numbers but I would guess we currently only average around 5 wins in the past 15 or so years. As an example, KSUs program under Snyder, which I'd sure you'd take, doesn't average 8 wins, even if you throw out Snyder's first year in which he had 1 win. And look what happened when he left...it went in the toilet. Iowa hasn't averaged 8 wins under Ferentz. It is actually very hard to average 8 wins. A better goal would be to start with averaging 6 wins, and then 7 wins, and then if we reach that bar, we can talk about 8 wins.
 
Cymentor said:
And CPR brought in every single player on the roster in years 5-6 and what were our records in those years?

The only reason CPR is our coach this year is because of his rediculous contract. We went winless in the conference last year, and we lost to the 1-8 conference team by three ******* touchdowns. I don't give a **** about the schedule in 2009, I don't give a **** about the schedule Mac had, I don't give a **** about the schedule this year. Win games period. We have five home wins over the last three seasons. We have a losing record to 1AA teams. Yet you want to keep CPR cause he wants to be here and wouldn't leave. Really?
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I want to keep CPR here because he is the best option for us to win right now. The majority of our staff is entering their second year here. Last year was the first year for those coaches. In addition to all the injuries we had to our players, we also had our DE Coach Bray collapse and die in January 2014.

The 2012 Liberty Bowl was comprised of CPR players except for just a couple. 2011 team as well was mostly CPR players, but there were a few notable Chizik recruits like Leonard Johnson, Terran Benton and K Osemele. But go on with your rant.
 
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SeaClone said:
And I still think your contention is misinformed. I bet you'd be surprised how few teams average 8 wins a year. That is actually a pretty high mark to reach, for any non-elite program. When you take into account the disadvantages we have in terms of historical prestige, location, and lack of local talent, it is an inconceivable mark at this point in time. I didn't run the numbers but I would guess we currently only average around 5 wins in the past 15 or so years. As an example, KSUs program under Snyder, which I'd sure you'd take, doesn't average 8 wins, even if you throw out Snyder's first year in which he had 1 win. And look what happened when he left...it went in the toilet. Iowa hasn't averaged 8 wins under Ferentz. It is actually very hard to average 8 wins. A better goal would be to start with averaging 6 wins, and then 7 wins, and then if we reach that bar, we can talk about 8 wins.
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I didn't say that had to average 8 wins, I said we should be able to put together a team capable of winning 8, sometimes that would happen, sometimes it wouldn't. There doesn't have to be a ridged number to gauge success.

FWIW in the first four years I thought we were trending in that direction and I honestly felt we had a fighters chance in any game and a chance to get to 8. We didn't achieve that those seasons and that was okay because there was progress. But then in seasons 5 & 6 the wheels fell off. CPR has made some changes but at some point the buck has to stop with him.

If you're happy with mediocre expectations then I guess you'll be happy no matter what happens. I just think it's better to reach for the stars than to never try because it's too hard.
 
I think Paul is a good coach that has made some bad choices. He is also a risk taker on the field, which is an attribute our coach should have.

He has an excellent staff in place right now. He had an excellent staff when he came here.

Our talent level is not increasing. Our recruiting has been very solid. Player retention has been awful.

We were building great depth a few years ago, but very quickly that depth vanished through injuries, transfers, suspensions, etc.

What resulted was back to back seasons of young rosters. We were playing guys who were simply not good enough.

Paul has earned the chance to right the ship. A couple bad seasons here doesn't make you a bad coach. I think he's back moving in the right direction but I'm not sure how many wins that will lead to in the near future. Way too many pieces in the puzzle to know that.
 
Stewo said:
Why? If the kid has seen the facilities at OU, for instance, and then sees ISU's and thinks more highly of them, why does it matter? Are 4* kids more intelligent?
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Recruits know how to say that right things, though. No recruit is going to come out and say, "I might go to ISU, but their facilities don't measure up to the other schools I'm looking at." They're all going to compliment the coaches and facilities after any visit. That's just the polite part of the game.

I don't know for sure how comparable the facilities are or not, but I wouldn't use recruit statements as evidence.
 
The rumblings going on are similar to the rumblings about Earle Bruce after the third straight 4-7 season. Earle's 36% winning percentage was constantly brought up as the reason to let him go. We had no reason to expect anything better since the best that Earle could do was 4 wins in a season. Past records meant there was no way that Earle could have any sort of success. Why would anyone think different?
 
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