Bubu

[Psiclone]

But yet, he and JP didn't seem to have a problem with the football players playing that had serious run ins with the law, did they?

Something fishy was going on with this whole Bubu thing. JP and Leath were not being consistent with how they handled other athletes getting into trouble. They were getting pressure from some one, or some group. Had to be IMO.

Universities in sexual assault situations are under more pressure than in non-sexual assault cases due to Title IX. Many universities recently have had heavy fines levied against them for not addressing sexual assault situations appropriately. Unlike in criminal cases, the burden of proof for student conduct violations is by a preponderance of evidence, which means anything above 50% is sufficient to prove a violation.

 

[stevefrench]

why is this thread still going? bubu was not good or worth getting all worked up over and he is history now. move on?

If anyone wants to question arguably the best AD we've ever had at ISU over the handling of bubu freaking palo, please go root for someone else because you're an embarrassment.

 

[GWad]

why is this thread still going? bubu was not good or worth getting all worked up over and he is history now. move on?

If anyone wants to question arguably the best AD we've ever had at ISU over the handling of bubu freaking palo, please go root for someone else because you're an embarrassment.

not up on current events ??

 

[ISU42]

why is this thread still going? bubu was not good or worth getting all worked up over and he is history now. move on?

If anyone wants to question arguably the best AD we've ever had at ISU over the handling of bubu freaking palo, please go root for someone else because you're an embarrassment.

Maybe don't post in a Bubu thread. Since there are still things going on between the university and Bubu then why can't we talk about it? Also, I think more people are upset with the way Leath handled it rather than Pollard.

 

[jmb]

And yet that was never the focus of any comments from ISU admin, was it?

Really? Total package of behavior wasn't considered? The more you post on this matter it becomes clear you are not able to view the entire scope of the issues. He violated team rules, university rules, ncaa rules, and broke the law with the use of marijuana alone. Yeah Leath is the culprit.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Really? Total package of behavior wasn't considered? The more you post on this matter it becomes clear you are not able to view the entire scope of the issues. He violated team rules, university rules, ncaa rules, and broke the law with the use of marijuana alone. Yeah Leath is the culprit.

If smoking pot is all they had, and given the courts stance, it likely is, then it is clear you are the one not able to view things correctly. I am all for the company line, but don't be an idiot here. The issue was not smoking pot, and if you want to claim otherwise, it makes them and you look even more corrupt on the matter.

How smoking pot fits into the scope of the issue: "Bubu smoking pot is how I am going to enforce my own personal beliefs of what happened and my agenda, experts and courts be damned." Sorry Leath and JP, you over-estimated who you could ****-over.

 

[jmb]

If smoking pot is all they got, and given the courts stance, it likely is, then it is clear you are the one not able to view things correctly. I am all for the company line, but don't be an idiot here. The issue was not smoking pot, and if you want to claim otherwise, it makes them and you look even more corrupt on the matter.

It is a package of behavior wrapped up in a single incident. It certainly is hard to determine the convoluted thought process that leads you to so glaringly fail to understand it is a total package AND call anyone corrupt. I congratulate you on single handed effort to perform twists and turns of logic that defy elementary logic.

i find it fascinating you dropped the Babb idea from your post. Again I don't know how to help you here as the standard of courts doesn't really apply. College athletics/athlete is not a protected right/status. The university outlines behavior that is considered "major" and there are enough reasons to prohibit him from representing the university yet allow him to continue with his education.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Really? Total package of behavior wasn't considered? The more you post on this matter it becomes clear you are not able to view the entire scope of the issues. He violated team rules, university rules, ncaa rules, and broke the law with the use of marijuana alone. Yeah Leath is the culprit.

Perhaps neither of us is unbiased. However, the legal entities involved appear to view it the same way I have, including the original administrative judge who heard the case presented by ISU's office of judicial affairs.

I feel you are grasping at straws now as the shroud around the administration begins to unravel.

 

[Jambalaya]

good gawd make this thread, and Bubu--go away forever

 

[stevefrench]

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good gawd make this thread, and Bubu--go away forever

^^^ this

 

[IAStubborn]

The suspension was well within the rules outlined in the administrative process when bubu admitted smoking pot. Review.

Nice shift. After you implied to having inside info that there was more to this story than was public now you are going with the he was suspended for pot? Well except that is not what Leath said, he was suspended for sexual misconduct violation of the student code. Review.

 

[jmb]

Perhaps neither of us is unbiased. However, the legal entities involved appear to view it the same way I have, including the original administrative judge who heard the case presented by ISU's office of judicial affairs.

I feel you are grasping at straws now as the shroud around the administration begins to unravel.

i am a huge fan of reality and realize that bubu can claim damages but the reality is he has none as it relates to college basketball. He may have a viable claim as a civil matter related to this case against the woman and her family for the criminal claims. Bubu lost nothing athletically.

 

[IAStubborn]

Will the judge's full decision be available online? I'm interested to see how he considered the testimony from the Mary Greeley medical examiner who found evidence of sexual trauma.

It was a nurse not a medical examiner.

 

[ISUCubswin]

I'm sure there was sexual trauma, getting railed by 2 men in one night with neither being your boyfriend that you're "so in love with."

Doesn't mean it was rape.

 

[jmb]

Nice shift. After you implied to having inside info that there was more to this story than was public now you are going with the he was suspended for pot? Well except that is not what Leath said, he was suspended for sexual misconduct violation of the student code. Review.

No shift. I still believe what I was told. As facts dribble out nothing has modified my belief that whe/if this gets appealed more will confirm why he was allowed to remain in school and precluded from representing the university.

 

[IAStubborn]

No shift. I still believe what I was told. As facts dribble out nothing has modified my belief that whe/if this gets appealed more will confirm why he was allowed to remain in school and precluded from representing the university.

So they held info for the appeal? Well you are not making a strong case so I will make your argument for you. The one thing that came out in the trial that you did allude to and I credit you for stating earlier is new public info and confirms what you said. That the other guy (spencer?) was found guilty of violating the student code for sexual misconduct by the same ALJ that found the charges against Bubu unfounded. I think you said "how can bubu have consensual sex when spencer is found to be guilty of rape". Meaning that the ALJ found a preponderance of evidence that spencer did commit sexual misconduct despite the fabricated evidence. I do agree that at the very least this implies that while Bubu may have had consensual sex ( the deleted text messages etc. probably made. It harder to cross the preponderance threshold with bubu) but then may have stood by when his friend may have raped the same girl. That may be the "immoral" JP and you are alluding to?

Obviously none of this means that is how it went down but it appears that at least the ALJ judge felt it was how it likely went down. In which case I do understand the Leath decision much more. I also still think they handled it horribly. Either way it had nothing to do with pot. Stick with your original story it was much stronger.

 

[Nycclone]

Basketball wise bubu not playing gave monte more playing time, allowed Kane to play the point and elevated the overall play of the team.

From a legal and ethical perspective: what they did to this kid was just plain wrong. You honestly expect me to believe bubu sexually assaulted this girl? I mean, I have seen articles that say all piv sex is rape and If that is your belief then I am happy for you. I also can sympathize with your moral disgust that this kid banged this girl with another guy that was in a relationship. But justifying this girls remorse over getting caught cheating on her bf and claiming it as rape may make you a huge fan on the feminist talking point circuit and score you some points with holier then thou fundamentalist crowds but it doesn't make her a victim of sexual assault. She willingly had sex with two guys after stating she wanted to hook up and there is nothing else to this. Immoral yes. A bad choice: definitely. Rape: hell no.

 

[jmb]

So they held info for the appeal? Well you are not making a strong case so I will make your argument for you. The one thing that came out in the trial that you did allude to and I credit you for stating earlier is new public info and confirms what you said. That the other guy (spencer?) was found guilty of violating the student code for sexual misconduct by the same ALJ that found the charges against Bubu unfounded. I think you said "how can bubu have consensual sex when spencer is found to be guilty of rape". Meaning that the ALJ found a preponderance of evidence that spencer did commit sexual misconduct despite the fabricated evidence. I do agree that at the very least this implies that while Bubu may have had consensual sex ( the deleted text messages etc. probably made. It harder to cross the preponderance threshold with bubu) but then may have stood by when his friend may have raped the same girl. That may be the "immoral" JP and you are alluding to?

Obviously none of this means that is how it went down but it appears that at least the ALJ judge felt it was how it likely went down. In which case I do understand the Leath decision much more. I also still think they handled it horribly. Either way it had nothing to do with pot. Stick with your original story it was much stronger.

You wasted all of those words because you created a fantasy where I said counsel withheld info that would somehow indemnify Leath publicly and it was held for an appeal.

I said as more information becomes public post-litigation we will have more information(as after this case more fact pattern was divulged) and I still believe that Leath will be more justified. I believe this based upon a conversation with someone that had insight on the legal proceedings.

I also believe that this case will continue as it has future bearing on autonomy in decision making in academia.

 

[IAStubborn]

You wasted all of those words because you created a fantasy where I said counsel withheld info that would somehow indemnify Leath publicly and it was held for an appeal.

I said as more information becomes public post-litigation we will have more information(as after this case more fact pattern was divulged) and I still believe that Leath will be more justified. I believe this based upon a conversation with someone that had insight on the legal proceedings.

I also believe that this case will continue as it has future bearing on autonomy in decision making in academia.

No fantasy. I was asking a question. Granted I should have seperated and structured my response better. That first sentance is in response to the quoted statement and the rest more in response to your general pot was why he was suspended premise. While it is a plausible theory it is not the student code violation he was found guilty of so am not sure why you brought it up and should have stuck with your original argument.

Not sure why you bother to come on here and be so cryptic and expect everyone to have the same conclusions you do without the information. You said you changed your mind when you heard the "full story". So why not divulge or just sit back and wait until we eventually come to the same conclusion when the info comes out if what you say is true. Telling us you know something but only hinting at what it is and mocking us for not having your views without that knowledge is pretty juvenile imo.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Hopefully Bubu and his family can get some decent cash from the assaulter, her mother, and ISU.