And there were texts prior to the call between them right? But they couldn't be used as evidence in Bubu's favor because she was drunk.
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
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And there were texts prior to the call between them right? But they couldn't be used as evidence in Bubu's favor because she was drunk.
Correct me if I'm wrong here.
This would be one thing if it was truly controversial. The thing is everyone outside of the school (they deal with these things regularly) has either found him innocent (or not guilty).
I feel like there is overwhelming evidence to say he is innocent. It's also better to side on the basis of innocence. It's much worse to have innocent people mistakenly convicted than to have guilty people go free. Those guilty people will get what they deserve at some point.
I think a lot of people are overlooking the fact that just Bubu picking a girl up with another guy and those two people hypothetically having consensual sex with that girl and that getting out to the media is enough of a "bad look" for the university that the AD and President would want to distance themselves from that player.
Add on top of that the girl accuses him of rape, and (innocent or not) the best thing for PR is to distance yourself as much as you can.
CycloneErik
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This should be the answer, and then the whole thing dies off.
Instead, we have presidential conspiracies and people crying about a scholarship taken away from the team.
I'd like an answer to this as well.
If a drunk guy calls a sober girl for a ride and he ends up having sex with her and her sober friend how would he be received the next day if he claimed they raped him?
I think when the woman tampered with the evidence told me enough right there. Plenty more things we all don't know but just seems like she may have thought the case was a little weak and decided to tear her shirt to cast little doubt. There are no winners here.
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The timing of the student policy decision causes a lot of consternation when he had all summer and made his pivotal move only one week after the deadline. Smells fishy. Maybe the threats of suing by Mom happened just after the deadline for the scholly to be revoked on purpose. After all, Bubu played an awful lot of ball the season before after the transgression with the approval of Jamie, Fred, and Leath. I tend to think the accuser and not Leath picked the timetable to drop the hammer, knowing what would happen. The fallout from student policy is a story by itself. Other similar situations did not invoke student policy. Why let him keep the scholly in any case if the student policy had been broken for such a serious offense. One thing mentioned little is potential for Bubu to be marked for life as a sex offender. This is serious stuff.
As Shakespeare wrote, something smells rotten in the state of Denmark.
CycloneErik
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Except that it's been well reported that this delay never happened. All parties agreed ahead of time to wait until a scheduled trip to Africa was completed. That's not some purposeful "screw the basketball program" delay. It's a weak argument at best.
Then you say instead stupidity reigned in this case at the AD, the President, and bball. If this is true, then ISU group was not too smart. I find it hard to believe that, if that was the agreement initially to wait until deadlines passed, that something happened at the end to change the final decision. That was more than likely to protect against a lawsuit threat. Any other explanation seems to make ISU look inept. Deadlines were known all along.
"Say Fred, I plan to make my decision after my important African trip and after the scholly deadline. Hope you don't mind."
Yeah, sure.
This. How did he make ISU and the girl safer by only removing him from the bb team?
I was saying you're wrong about sitting on the case when it's publicly known that the parties agreed to the time table. Stop looking for conspiracy theories. I can't wait for this to be over with.
Given the numerous Bubu threads, and the number of postings on each thread, the following remain pretty much true. People posting here do not know 1) what happened that night, 2) what evidence, if any, existed other than that which was tainted, 3) why the prosecutor decided to drop the case, 4) why Leathe made the decision he did, and who had input into that decision, and 5) why the BofR made the decision they did and who had input into that decision. But that hasn't stopped all the supposition and guessing that has filled these threads. If there was ever a reason why our judicial system and the judicial branch must be protected from the influence of social media, this is it. I would hate to be on the wrong side of the law - or even the right side of the law - but be on the wrong side of social media.
Everyone? I must have missed it when you were appointed spokesperson. Especially when you are clearly in error.
Apparently if you ever have sex with someone you are supposed to have sex with them forever whenever they want and whatever they want to do to you.
You can boot someone from a basketball team for whatever happened. Absolutely. But if its clearly not a slam dunk case legally you don't stick the knife in you want as clean a break as possible for those same reasons (PR.) Along with the fact that as an educator if you are punishing a student drastically and to this extent there is an inherent responsibility to act in the best interests of the student in terms of them moving on and using their mistake as a learning experience.
I see an ego maniac president making a bold decision to boost his own ego with the way things went down whereas if it was handled properly it would have just been strong leadership.
I continue to find it asinine to several months in the future set a date of decision one week after schollies are irreversible. Either this was shoved down Fred's throat despite the deadlines as it was a way to give Bubu a scholly and not be on the team and hope no lawsuits followed or the Fred bball people thought Bubu would be able to play.
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