There are more despicable things than false allegations counsel. Hyperbole is unneeded in this instance.
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This is false. Leathe and every University President are under enormous pressure to be tough on sexual misconduct by the US department of education. They are pushing a definition of misconduct that includes sleeping with someone who has drank (vs. Legally Incapacitated) despite this is not a legal standard or I may add the standard in the ISU code of conduct which cites the Iowa legal standard. This is why the courts have universally sided with Bubu and in a very decisive and embareassing fashion for the university. Additionally, Leathe was being pressured by woman's groups on campus and professors on this issue. They stole all the Ethos additions for god sakes. To say he had no incentive to be less than impartial is asinine when every shred of evidence is that he did just that. If he thought Bubu were guilty he would have been kicked out of school.
It is also worth noting that Leathe did find that Bubu wasnt guilty of forcible rape as.she had accused him of but rather she lacked the ability to consent because she had been drinking. Even Leathe felt she lied but that Bubu still deserved punishment. Hence his suit is really a no brainer. She harmed him and this nobody should dispute. He should win this case easily.
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So, can you tell us, ISUCubswin, specifically what facts you know and the source of those facts so the rest of us can review those sources as well. Once I get a chance to review all the research you have done to make the accusation you have against Steven Leath, then I'll be in a much better position to evaluate the situation as well. It seems like you are privy to information many of the rest of us are not.
You or I may believe that having sex after drinking is an awful decision, but it's not against the law and I'd like to see you lead the campaign to try to get it outlawed. If it's against university policy you can lead the campaign to discipline any couple that does the same thing. And I think BuBu has paid a pretty steep price considering all we know is that he did something hundreds if not thousands of ISU couples do every week-end. He hasn't been able to play in games for the last year and a half of his college career. What price have other athletes and students paid for doing the same thing? What price has the girl paid when we know she lied to the county attorney and tried to fabricate evidence? In addition to de-railing his basketball career, his family has spent a lot of money for legal fees and his name has been drug thru the mud by the girl and even university officials. I think many would say he's paid a far steeper price than other students and athletes who have done worse, and if he wants to seek justice I sure wouldn't blame him.
Yes, they reinstated him. Renewed his scholarship had Pollard signed and.gave him papers in June for another year. (9 months after charges were brought and he reviewed). Yeah this is so factually wrong throuhghout its laughable. Get your facts right before throwing out blather about being disgusted.
What are you talking about. We do know she lied. We do know Fred and Jamie wanted him back. We do know he was given another.year scholarship in June. You made a bunch of crappie about pressuring her. She didn't drop.the charges the D.A. did. You are beyond the pail in your blind assumptions. People like you scare the crap out of me and I hope they never let you serve on a jury.
While I think Leath made a bad decision, especially in light of some of his other decisions regarding letting athletes back on teams even before charges were dropped, convicted felons, etc, I can see where he may have had some pressure from women's groups. But I think he really went off the rails when he seemed to almost go out of his way to make derogatory public statements about the judges decision and BuBu. Makes me really question not only his judgment but his competence as a university president.
You don't know the case? You know two people had sexual intercourse with the female that night?
Have any of the other athletes getting in trouble been appealed to leath before bubu, or nah? Use some common sense.
and the posters claiming everything as fact, especially those in defense of a poor decision making athlete make me laugh. I'll wait to see how this case plays out. It'll be refreshing to have this he said/she said bs come out officially.
I tend to agree. Here are the most important points:
1. Follow the money. Bubu's lawyers know where the money is. It wouldn't surprise me if he has already offered to not sue anyone if ISU made a settlement. When ISU didn't, he started the process, but this is just the start. I would expect a suit against ISU at some point.
2. Follow the accusations. If it is found that someone within ISU inappropriately pursued this case with some sort of targeting of Bubu, he may have a claim against ISU. There may be some people within ISU whose roles have not yet been made public. Even if they thought they were doing the right thing for a victim and/or against a perpetrator, perhaps to make a statement for/against others of their types, they may have violated some policies and procedures that will create liability for ISU.
3. Buy the silence. So far, Bubu has been amazingly quiet about things. We haven't even had anyone on CF claim to have heard what he told a friend's sister. He probably has legal innocence (hence the dropped charges), but not moral innocence (hence the judgment by Leath). I don't think ISU wants this story to continue in public, particularly if there is legal liability within ISU.
My prediction is that this will all go away fairly quickly when ISU makes a payment to Bubu to keep him quiet and hope that he just goes away.
Holy smokes, this thread is almost comical. There sure are a lot of judges on the internet jury!
This is exactly right. People that continue to believe some one either found not guilty by a jury or not guilty because they were not charged or charges dropped are why false accusers can do so much damage. In our system people are found innocent until proven guilty exactly for this reason. Whether by Jury or because the charges were dropped Bubu was found innocent because he wasn't proven guilty. People who keep saying he wasn't found innocent have no concept of justice.
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I assume Leath would have the power to step in if he was adamant against a decision by the athletic department, such as letting a convicted felon back on the football team or letting a player back on the team before charges were dropped, which both happened under Leath. At least he could make it clear to JP that he didn't want the player back on the team, which would likely mean that the player wouldn't get back on the team. I too would like to see this play out in court so we get more answers and hopefully justice is done. But I tend to agree with Cysck that it is by far in ISU's best interest that this get handled as quickly and quietly as possible, especially in light of the unbelievable public statements by JP and Leath, and BuBu gets a sizable check. Just an incredible saga of incompetence.
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