Burrow's dad coached at iSU under Walden I believe, but then I think he also lost his job with Walden. Doesn't mean he would hold it against ISU as I'm sure he understands how the coaching game works. Burrow's dad and at least one brother played for Nebraska, but then his dad now works for coach Solich who got canned by Nebraska, unfairly in a lot of people's minds, so who knows how strong the NU connection is now. As I said it would be great to get Burrow, but he will likely have a lot of big time offers.
In state recruiting for 2015 class
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Burrow's dad coached at iSU under Walden I believe, but then I think he also lost his job with Walden. Doesn't mean he would hold it against ISU as I'm sure he understands how the coaching game works. Burrow's dad and at least one brother played for Nebraska, but then his dad now works for coach Solich who got canned by Nebraska, unfairly in a lot of people's minds, so who knows how strong the NU connection is now. As I said it would be great to get Burrow, but he will likely have a lot of big time offers.
I hate to break this to you but 8 out of 10 kids in Iowa are hock fans... until this changes ISU will not be able to recruit this state.
This is the Iowa State connection you guys are talking about? Looking at his profile, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting to get this guy. I will be surprised if he does not end up in the Big 10 based on his location, style, size and the teams that have yet to offer that he has interest in (Indiana, Michigan State, Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State-if they offered, but kind of doubt they will).
I think it highlights the point many on here are making about in-state kids and, in particular, Boyle. Offering Boyle early would have made us a strong option for him-he lives 25 miles away and has visited often! Recruiting Burrow brings whole new levels of competition in recruiting.
And as far as the Paulsens not being players we want? Both are 4-star OL on Scout and, according to info on this board, had a direct parental connection to ISU. Oh, and for the "tall" crowd, each is 6'4". I have to believe we would take these guys in a second.
Anyone saying we wouldn't want the Paulsen twins is delusional. Also, anyone saying we had a shot at them after firing Bleil is also delusional.
Again, Mangino knows what he is doing with QBs and his offense. His own expertise will net us a couple big players this year in my opinion. QB is not a position where you want to settle.
I agree with a lot of your perspectives in this thread. However, I would temper the enthusiasm you seem to have with Mangino until he proves he can produce an excellent QB at Iowa State. He had some success at Kansas. That's a given. I wouldn't just have blind faith in what he can do though. I'm not sure there's an excellent QB on the roster right now, and just having blind faith in him to recruit one seems a little bit reckless to me. It seems crazy to just assume he's not targeting guys like Boyle because he's holding out hope for Burrow. You can't not recruit kids because you're hoping someone else commits. That would be a horrible strategy. Especially when the kid you're hoping for is receiving attention from big time schools.
ISU has made it clear they are being very selective with their offers right now. The staff will get together soon after they come back from their evaluation period and offer a lot of prospects that they just saw on the road.
Burrow is part of an elite group that got an early offer.
Boyle might have gotten an offer had he waited, hell, he might still.
The point is, Boyle is on a normal schedule and Burrow was on a priority target type schedule. And I'll take you up on that bet.
You sound like you don't really know Mangino's history very well. He has an absolutley incredible resume as a coordinator and a coach. He has had success at KSU and KU, and a national title at OU.
And what does my blind faith have to do with anything that happens? It won't change anything. I'd bet good money that we find a highly ranked QB who wants to play for Mangino.
He has been an excellent coach no matter where he has been. He helped turn things around at KU and at K-State. He helped win a National Championship at Oklahoma. There's simply nothing but good things you can say about that. He had to have learned a lot from both Bill Snyder and Bob Stoops.
The only reason I'm saying I'd exercise a little more caution is because it's Iowa State. I mean that's a slap in the face, but it's the reality history presents us with. He turned the KU program around. He helped Snyder accomplish tremendous things at K-State. He helped Bob Stoops acclimate himself at Oklahoma. I'm hopeful he can be the answer to Paul Rhoads' prayers at ISU. I will remain doubtful until I see it however.
Iowa State has absolutely never been a more attractive place for a football recruit with all the upgrades and with Mangino leading the offense.
I understand the difficulties and that's why I said a couple recruits and not a full class.
There will be a couple recruits we have mutual interest in that want good facilities/good coaching/playing time.
So a guy goes and wins at 2 places that he had no business winning at (or helped win) but since we are Iowa State he is destined to suck, is that the point of your post, go **** yourself.
I didn't say he's destined to suck. I said I'd be cautious. Bill Snyder and Bob Stoops were at K-State and Oklahoma. Two damn good coaches. And Oklahoma is well Oklahoma... that speaks for itself. What Mangino helped accomplish at K-State, and what he accomplished at KU was very impressive. I'm not discounting that whatsoever. I certainly understand his presence on the ISU sidelines gives reason for enthusiasm. All I'm saying is you still have to get talented players to come play in Ames. Until there's a noticeable shift in recruiting I would keep the expectations reasonable. Especially at the QB position.
As someone mentioned earlier... Ryan Boyle would have been the highest ranked QB to go to ISU in quite some time. I would not stop going after him if I were Rhoads or Mangino.
Boyle absolutely would not be. He is a 2 star on rivals. Iowa is literally his only BCS offer. He is not a big time QB.
Burrow would be if we got him.
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According to Scout he would have been the highest ranked QB at ISU in the last decade... guess it depends where you look. Not that it matters.
But still a 3 star. Only 5 spots higher than literally our most recent QB commit. And only on one recruiting service. And only Iowa has offered him.
You are only looking at one thing, and even if it were the only thing that mattered (it isn't) he would still be just barely higher ranked than Darius Lee Campbell.
He is absolutely a QB. Unless he is so different that Mangino can't use him. And I seriously doubt that as Mangino's MO has been to adjust his offense to his talent, and DLC is very talented.
He's got a good highlight reel, and it's against Texas competition. Kinda confused why ISU and Colorado were his biggest offers. 4.5 40 is pretty damn good too. I thought maybe the only reason he didn't have more offers was because he wants to be a QB and some of the big schools down south didn't want him there.
I'm really not sure. Could be his height? It's also kind of the nature of the beast when it comes to QBs. He committed later and most teams only take one serious QB per class. That would be my guess.