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Messingham needs to go!

There are teams that have gotten 68 yards in a bye week. Mess is a Mess - I don't know why people feel the need to stick up for coaches getting paid lots of jack to give us results, it is a business not a charity of friendship. Results equal more money and you get more freedom to call the shots, where as less success means you rightfully fall under scrutiny and possible job elimination because you are failing. I don't know why this is soooo hard to realize? To criticize Mess should be a normal and expected reaction - 68 yards in a half of football??
 
Erik4Cy said:
I don't take any stock in the coaching abilities of coach critics usually but I bet there are A LOT of people on this board that could have led us to more than 68 yards of offense in 1st half against a bad iowa team. let that sink in. 68 yards. if many diaz gets fired at Texas after how much they gave up to BYU on the ground, then mess has to be fired over 68 yards against Iowa's D.

the pistol formation and plays played right into iowas philosophy. how hard is it to spread the field and throw 70% of the time like EVERY team that beats iowa (and how we did it the last two years.)

mess has to go.
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You sir are correct about spreading the field and beating them like the rest. That was proven when State finally starting throwing longer passes in the 4th quarter. There was no resaon to call plays in the which Sam should of been running unless it was short yardage. Mess should of realized that and called plays similar to what we did in the 4th. Granted Sam wasn't great but any mean but he did a bit bettsr when he just sat in ths pocket.
 
Tre4ISU said:
I want someone to ask who was calling plays in the fourth. Then I want to know why it took them so long to figure out the middle of the field was wide open.
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Hard to figure out the middle of the field was open when you are standing on the sideline.
 
im4cyclones said:
Just so I am clear... After two bad games, you are giving up on a coach who took us to 3 bowl games in 4 years? And has one of our three bowl wins in school history? After two bad games?

I get disappointment but come on.
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Peter's Principle.
 
Scott34 said:
You sir are correct about spreading the field and beating them like the rest. That was proven when State finally starting throwing longer passes in the 4th quarter. There was no resaon to call plays in the which Sam should of been running unless it was short yardage. Mess should of realized that and called plays similar to what we did in the 4th. Granted Sam wasn't great but any mean but he did a bit bettsr when he just sat in ths pocket.
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What I do not understanbd is we knew the weakness in The Hok secondary was their Achilles heel. Yet our first play from scrimmage was a run stuffer up the middle. Jesus Almighty, what have we been thinking about for game plans for two weeks. This is like running the game for the ninth graders.
 
I don't understand the offensive philosophy for the first 50 minutes either. Iowa's clear defensive weaknesses are in the secondary, and while they have an outstanding set of LBs, I would say they are only average in pass coverage. DLs strength is in stopping the run also. A "balanced" offense doesn't mean much when every throw is within 7 yards of the LOS.
 
Agreed. The 8 game conference schedule, especially as part of a putrid North Division in the height of the McCarney era made a big difference. Walden had one six win season and I'm not sure what bowl jukebox thinks Criner would've made with 3 wins.

I will say that ISUs performances under CPR in bowl games, season openers, and add this bye week bomb has not been good. I think eventually a Mess-free CPR figures out how to correct their preparation and game planning during long layoffs.
 
AuH2O said:
Agreed. The 8 game conference schedule, especially as part of a putrid North Division in the height of the McCarney era made a big difference. Walden had one six win season and I'm not sure what bowl jukebox thinks Criner would've made with 3 wins.

I will say that ISUs performances under CPR in bowl games, season openers, and add this bye week bomb has not been good. I think eventually a Mess-free CPR figures out how to correct their preparation and game planning during long layoffs.
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Criner was 6-5 in 1986.

He also had a about the same conference winning percentage as Rhoads.
 
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clonedude said:
This season is over with as far as achieving any of the goals the team set at the beginning of the year. So if Rhoads has any thoughts of canning Mess, why not just do it now? It only gives us more time to get this thing fixed. Why wait any longer?

When we started the game with two running plays right up the gut for no yards, I knew it was over. All game long we were in 3rd and longs. That's no way to win a football game.

Only in the end, when we had no other option but to open it up, did the offense do anything at all. Even my wife wondered why we didn't throw it more the rest of the game when we couldn't run it at all.
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God bless that woman.
 
GoClones123 said:
There are teams that have gotten 68 yards in a bye week. Mess is a Mess - I don't know why people feel the need to stick up for coaches getting paid lots of jack to give us results, it is a business not a charity of friendship. Results equal more money and you get more freedom to call the shots, where as less success means you rightfully fall under scrutiny and possible job elimination because you are failing. I don't know why this is soooo hard to realize? To criticize Mess should be a normal and expected reaction - 68 yards in a half of football??
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This. CPR needs to let Klenakis call plays. I've been a season ticket holder for awhile, traveling from TN to watch us play, which I gladly do. But watching this crap takes its toll. He had 2 weeks to develop a plan. Mess doesn't see trends and adjust. To watch last year vs. Texas Tech, Tulsa bowl game, UNI and Iowa, it is clear Mess is over his head as an OC, and bad judgement by CPR to hand him the keys to the offense without any proven experience as an OC. I love CPR, but he has proven in the past he can be stubborn and slow to change and stick with folks too long to the detriment of the team. He needs to be accountable to his team, or he will lose them if he hasn't already.
 
If everything goes as scripted Mess does a good job. When he has to go off ****** he has no idea on what to do. The guy can call a prefect series if they move the ball on every down. When they have a bad play or penalty he has no idea how to adjust. When other teams adjust to what he is doing he has no idea on how to make adjustments himself. Vs Iowa his play book was limited, due to no zone read, and he was lost.
 
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