He had McGee in is FACE! He was not wide open! He had to shoot a higher shot than normal, hence the reason he banked it in.
That's Why You Foul
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So what happens when we foul?
...they make the first, intentionally miss the second and A) Whithey tips the ball in for the tie, or in true Cyclone fashion B) Whithey tips the ball back behind the 3 point line to Mclemore and he drains a 3 for the win....?
I've often wondered this as well. Is it a pride thing? Like, if we can't man-up and stop them then we don't deserve to win?
Kind of like coaches who refuse to pass or run outside on the goal-line. If we can't line up and get a yard straight forward we won't deserve to score.
I just can't believe how many people actually think that there is any chance in hell KU makes the first and then tips it back out for a 3. Compare how many times you've seen that happen vs. how many times you've seen a team come down and make a last-second 3-pointer. It's not even close.
I can somewhat buy the "make the first, tip in the second" argument although I still say that's a rare occurrence.
I can somewhat buy the "make the first, tip in the second" argument although I still say that's a rare occurrence.
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So this is bad defense? McGee is in his grill and look at how freakin high Mclemore had to shoot that over him. Lucky shots happen.
About as rare as coming down and making a 3 pointer AND getting a foul called when down by 6 points, then two possessions later banking in a 3 for the tie.
Yes it's bad defense because there aren't 2 guys "in his grill." He should have been absolutely smothered with defenders and when screens came out our guys should have been running right through them, who cares about getting called for a foul in that situation.
Ok, good point but not applicable to the point I was making. Although your scenario is pretty common down in Lawrence.
It wasn't necessarily bad defense, but he was late getting to him, the ball is long gone in that picture.
I agree. I thought initially that he was in his face, until I saw the replay and how he actually gets the look and shoots a look way too open for a guy with his shooting ability.
Normally I dont foul in this situation. But I would foul the best 3 point shooting team in the Big 12... Which KU is.
I was a bit surprised we did save so many time outs.
:realmad:Hindsight is always 20/20, as they say. If you foul, you're automatically giving them an opportunity to score points, and the clock doesn't even move. Without the foul, there is the possibility of a travel, missed passes, even an offensive foul. The guy hit a prayer off the backboard, end of story. Take what you learned about yourselves, (which was almost all positive), and get on with prep for the Texas game!!
:yes:Fred and the staff were the reason we had a lead at the end of the game to protect. Their defensive strategy of keeping the big man away from the basket allowed us to stay with them all night.
:spinny:If we keep up the improvement at this rate, and with these athletes, we'll have a good shot at a decent run in the tourney. Gotta pick up the d, tho'.
Amen brother. I thought the game plan to stop/slow down Whithey worked very nicely (fro boy didn't know what to do when he got the ball at the high post). And the defense on McLemore was solid all night. He hit A TON of tough shots.
Watch ISU and watch the NBA games, lots of similarity in the kind of sets being run..
One of the talking heads on the ESPN, said if it weren't for the idea that Fred is very happy in Ames he thinks he would be coaching in the NBA within a couple of years
And despite what some resident experts might thing, the NBA requires very very good coaching.
Sometimes players make a great shot, the guy banked in a 3 ball, it wasn't a clean look, the shot was long and it happened to hit the glass and go in...
I think everyone is overlooking this link, so I will quote it.
When you don't foul the other team needs 1 thing to go right to tie the game.
When you foul the other team needs 3 things to go right to tie the game.
The technical was explained after the game. Apparently running up the court Niang intentionally "hip-checked" Kevin Young and he stumbled. He also had some words for Kevin, only the official knew exactly what was said. There was no argument from Niang after the T was called, because he knew what he had done. It wasn't a big deal, but he was pretty chippy the whole game. I'm surprised he didn't foul out earlier in the second half. He was obviously fired up after playing so well offensively in a great environment. That kid has a lot of moxie.
I had no problems not fouling. When up by 3, the worse that can happen is they make a 3 and you go into OT with still a chance to win the game. When you foul you bring in a lot of different scenarios, especially if you've never practiced that play before. If you haven't practiced fouling like that, you can't do it during a game. Just too many bad things can happen.