*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Big Ten's tier 2 rights are with ESPN/ABC. Big Ten Network only gets tier 3.
I've read that NBC may non renew the Domers (due to sagging ratings), but I haven't heard they'd planned on going after the Big Ten's tier 1 & 2 rights. Any links perhaps?
I ask because, from what I've read, NBC has been taking a bath on their sports programming, which is part of the reason they are considering non renewing ND's contract.
Which might also be the reason they'd take a run at the B1G. They need to get some big time programming. There were a lot rumors that they would make a hard run at the Big 12, but it seems that ESPN and Fox are upping the ante to prevent that.
here's the mentality of most ND supporters
the problem is, actually no one really cares about them other then USC
No, he was right. The BTN has the Big Ten's tier two and tier three rights. See the following article:
Televison Contract Breakdown «
If the BTN only had tier 3 rights, they would barely be able to show anything. Tier 3 rights are pretty much only olympic sports, maybe one football game, and mostly only a few early season non-conference men's basketball games. If you haven't noticed, nearly all of Iowa's men's basketball games are on the BTN, which means it has tier 2 rights too.
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Tier 1 football for Big 10 gets at least 3 games a week so it would be very lucrative.
Read same report on Yahoo. Could it be the Capt. jumping a sinking ship contrary to what's publicly stated?
He is right in a very, very limited scope - like I said the BTN gets MOSTLY tier 3 content. This is how it works:
Big Ten Conference Broadcast Schedule
The Big Ten has a contract with ESPN for 41 games and a regional TV contract with the Big Ten Network (BTN), a FOX Sports Media Group & Big Ten joint venture. Under the contracts:
Up to 17 games on ABC
Up to 25 games on ESPN/ESPN2
Every team guaranteed two appearances on BTN, with one appearance being a conference game
For selection order, ABC has the first selection of games every week. Most weeks ESPN/ESPN2 will have the next set of game choices, followed by BTN. BTN will be able to leapfrog ESPN and/or ESPN2 on select weekends.
Starting with 2011, ABC has given up exclusivity in the 3:30pm telecast window. BTN will now be allowed to schedule games during the 3:30pm time slot if it desires.
FOX Sports, under a separate contract, has the rights to the conference championship game. These rights started in 2011 and will end after the 2016 championship game.
So, like I said - ABC gets Tier 1, ESPN/ESPN2 get Tier 2, & the BTN gets mostly tier 3 - they have a clause in the contract that allows the BTN to jump over ESPN/ESPN2 2 times per year (it may be 3 times - not 100% positive on that).
Either way, 90% of the time, the BTN will show tier 3 football content - they rarely get tier 2 games. ESPN/ESPN2 airs most tier 2 Big Ten games. Other than 2 or 3 times during the season, the BTN airs only tier 3 games.
Whatever. It's all semantics. Each conference has the right to define the boundaries of their tier 1, 2, and 3 content.
Bottom line: The Big 10 is going to get paid when their ABC contract runs out. They will be the richest conference for at least the next couple decades. If you're any other conference, you just want to be in the same ballpark as Big 10 money and not be left behind in the money race by the other conferences.
The whole comment that started this discussion is that someone is claiming NBC will drop ND and pick up the Big 10 in 4 years...Whatever...Nobody knows how the market is going to play out in 4 years. If the Big 10 will be the richest already, what does it matter how rich they are? As schools like Texas know, even if you have all the money in the world, you can only spend so much on football.
And even if NBC did drop Notre Dame, ABC will still give them way more money than whatever their current NBC contract is worth. Money doesn't mean anything to Notre Dame. If it did they would've joined the Big 10 by now.
That schedule is 100% correct, but doesn't prove your point because all the ABC/ESPN/ESPN2 games are considered under one contract tier one contract (not tier one and tier two) because they are all owned and coordinated by the same company, which is Disney. This is the same with the Big 12 as our tier one contracts is with BOTH ABC and ESPN (Disney), and our tier two contracts are with Fox, which like Disney, includes multiple different underlying networks (Multiple different Fox Sports Regional Networks, FCS...etc).
Cyman is also right that the bounderies are definitely not strict at all by any means, however, there are some generic outlines for what is considered tier 1, 2, and 3 content. Ultimately, the contracts can be technically structured however they want. Heck, they could create a tier 4 content level if they really wanted with one basketball game sold to me which I could post on my facebook profile or something.
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Show me the language in the Big 12 contract that says so many games will be shown specifically on ABC, then how many will be shown specifically on ESPN/ESPN2 - if you can show me that, I'll believe you.
My understanding, from the Big 10 side, is that the pecking order is:
1. ABC (National Over the Air)
2. ESPN/ESPN2 (Cable Subscription Required)
3. BTN (Regional)
Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's how I've understood it.
EDIT: Actually, I have to be right, look at the selection order - it is clearly 1. ABC, 2. ESPN/ESPN2, 3. BTN - there has to be a separation of tier 1 & 2 - otherwise the BTN could jump ABC and air the UM/OSU game at the end of the year if it chose to.
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I'm done arguing. I thought my explanation and the link to a website that lays it out exactly as Tier 1 and Tier 2 would be enough. I guess not. If anyone else would like to chime in on either side, you are welcome to. Heck, with all the realignment stuff that has shed more light on this topic over the past few years to make it somewhat more common knowlege, I'm surprised nobody else has chimed in yet on it. As for me though, we'll probably have to respectfully disagree.
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