STEELE!!!

[swarthmoreCY]

If you have 2 quarterbacks, you don't have one....

Also...
2(Less than one) > (Less than one)

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I must have missed the "great things" that you refer to. But then, I listen very closely to what CPR says--and have noticed that he is very specific in what he says. For example, the only depth he had at the end of the year in his first season was a fifth year walkon.

Both last spring and this, CPR has clearly said merely that depth is better each year than it was the last. Indeed, last year the offensive line went eight deep (out of sheer necessity), and I'd guess that this year it will wind up going at least nine deep. So nothing he has said is untrue--unless you read any more into it.

Of course, Ill also point out that third year starter Brayden Burris was among the injured that missed the game, and that had to have some impact.

Back on topic, I'm not going to say "always" anything about any quarterback. I'm not going to say that Steele will "always" do something, or Barnett. It's clear that both have grown. I think that either can be a good QB, most especially under the right circumstances.

I also like how Richardson looked--but am not sure if he'll be ready for Prime Time before next ('13) season. Then he'll be contending with both Barnett and Rohach. That'll be fun to watch as well.

The thing I think about the offensive line is that Rhoads always talks about how he wanted the line to be really athletic like Oklahoma States in his first year at ISU. Hicks and Osemele were talented, but they were also not the type of linemen that Rhoads thought was ideal. I think having depth and quicker, more athletic linemen could be a positive for our team even though we lost a lot of talent.

 

[CyBer]

I predict that Rhoads will go out on the field this year as the quarterback.

 

[ISUCY23]

Remember this?
2011 Iowa State vs. Iowa Highlights - YouTube

Also if Jantz could play like that all the time, we would be set at quarterback. It would be nice if that would happen.

 

[CarolinaCy]

Steele is the better QB right now, and he needs to win the starting spot. Barnett is a good kid and I love what he can do at the QB position, but he is in a tough position with Richardson playing much better than him. In my opinion Barnett's interceptions were a lot worse than Steeles, Steele forced one into a crossing route like Brett Farve would try to do and it was ugly but, Barnett landed his right in Kleins arms while he was floating the middle of the field the entire time and that was a dumb play, any LB would have made that play. Barnett also took off too much, he is quick and can get away with those but we cannot and will not continue to count on that. Steele needs to make better decisions when he is under pressure but he is still fun to watch when he gets flushed, If the QBs weren't down on one touch, Steele would have had a tremendous game. O line looks bad, really bad. The best surprise of the spring is Sam Richardson, and no one should be upset about that at all.

Steele has more potential this year if he can play smart, and he is definitely on his way there. I know people are gonna wanna argue about it and not agree, but Barnett is not the answer and quite frankly if he was I would be worried, Richardson will win that next year, and it doesn't hurt to have a solid and proven back up QB, but this year I have a feeling we will see a lot of 2 guys. Rhoads will not be slow to throw Steele on the bench in favor of a spark in the instance of bad decisions this year, but in my opinion we have the most potential this year with a healthy Steele Jantz in the backfield, especially when you add Aaron Horne and Albert Gary, and

Jantz to Tiller, get use to it.

I realize Rhoads said after the game that we played about as vanilla as we can because he couldn't trust who was in the stands watching, which makes sense. BUT... these things really troubled me about yesterday....

1. The OL HAS to be the most overrated position on the team. It was last year too IMO. Bleil and Rhoads always have nothing but great things to say about the OL last year and this year. But last year they were nothing special at all, and yesterday they were just plain awful. And don't tell me that our DL is just that good either because most Big 12 teams we will play will have better one's probably.

2. Still didn't see hardly any open WR's all day long. That has been an issue here for a long time, and it didn't look any better yesterday.

3. QB's, besides Richardson, still look like they'd rather run the ball than pass the ball. They get back in the pocket, look at their first read and if it's not there then they take off. Some of that had to do with how terrible the OL was though too.

4. Still not much running game to speak of. Another OL issue most likely, but that HAS to improve as well.


I think defensively we can be pretty decent. DL looked pretty solid, and Klein, George, and Knott will be the best LB's in the Big 12 as a group IMO. And we really have some promising young DB's in Sam Richardson, Stokes, and Mutcherson.... as well as guys like Givens, Washington, Brackens, Watsen, etc.... that group looks pretty good IMO.

We are only going to be as good as our offense goes though IMO. We MUST put points on the board in the Big 12. I'm concerned about the QB position and OL right now big time.

Richardson could win this job folks... but if he does... what do we do with the offensive gameplan? Is he going to be good enough with the zone read type offense when he seems like more of a pro-style QB? I guess he ran our type of offense in high school if you go back and look at his HS highlights though, so he should be ok.

These 2 posts do not give me warm and fuzzies about this fall. Not surprising though, we haven't had an above average offense at ISU in about a decade (maybe 2005).

 

[cy1010]

If you could somehow play a game where Steel never has to throw over the middle he would be fine. I don't know if it's a reading issue with him or if he's still gun shy from last year, but any passes over the middle apparently makes him very uncomfortable. From the hash marks out, though he's pretty good.

 

[CarolinaCy]

Two of the worst quarterbacks in the league?! Wow. I would take both over anything Texas and KU put out there. Nick Florence will be a gigantic drop off from RGIII and we have seen him first hand in the past. Also who is going to start for Okie State? This is not the quarterback league it was last year. If Landry Jones is the best in the league, thats not saying much. The kid from WV is better than him.

Statistically, Jantz and Barnett were the 2 worst QBs in the league last fall, and it wasn't really that close. That doesn't mean anything for this year, but those are the only stats we have to go on at this point.

 

[CyFan3]

Steele is the better QB right now, and he needs to win the starting spot. Barnett is a good kid and I love what he can do at the QB position, but he is in a tough position with Richardson playing much better than him. In my opinion Barnett's interceptions were a lot worse than Steeles, Steele forced one into a crossing route like Brett Farve would try to do and it was ugly but, Barnett landed his right in Kleins arms while he was floating the middle of the field the entire time and that was a dumb play, any LB would have made that play. Barnett also took off too much, he is quick and can get away with those but we cannot and will not continue to count on that. Steele needs to make better decisions when he is under pressure but he is still fun to watch when he gets flushed, If the QBs weren't down on one touch, Steele would have had a tremendous game. O line looks bad, really bad. The best surprise of the spring is Sam Richardson, and no one should be upset about that at all.

Steele has more potential this year if he can play smart, and he is definitely on his way there. I know people are gonna wanna argue about it and not agree, but Barnett is not the answer and quite frankly if he was I would be worried, Richardson will win that next year, and it doesn't hurt to have a solid and proven back up QB, but this year I have a feeling we will see a lot of 2 guys. Rhoads will not be slow to throw Steele on the bench in favor of a spark in the instance of bad decisions this year, but in my opinion we have the most potential this year with a healthy Steele Jantz in the backfield, especially when you add Aaron Horne and Albert Gary, and

Jantz to Tiller, get use to it.

Pretty much sums up what I was going to say. I'm not a huge fan of either SJ or JB but imo a healthy Jantz gives us the best chance to win.

 

[CyFan3]

How can you say that? JB looked the worst of the 3 yesterday in most people's eyes... and I think JB might agree with that too.

I was hoping to see a much improved JB yesterday, but I didn't. Of course, it was just one game, but he looked pretty much the same IMO. Same for SJ... some good plays, but some boneheaded ones too. 13+ play drives don't mean jack squat if we turn it over at the end of them. We did that quite a bit last year. JB would drive us down the field and then fumble.... or SJ would drive us down the field and throw an INT. Those are useless drives. Rhoads bragged about the long drives yesterday, but once again our top 2 QB's couldn't convert any of them into TD's. That's troublesome.

Jantz "technically" would have scored in a real game situation on his run....he was "tagged" at the 2 yd line and then the o stalled.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I just watched the highlights of the Iowa game again. Simply put, we can be a much better team with Steele than we can with JB. Steele just had a talent level that JB doesn't. Of course the flip side is that we can be a much worse team with Steele as well. Higher highs, lower lows....

 

[ShankinPATs]

I just watched the highlights of the Iowa game again. Simply put, we can be a much better team with Steele than we can with JB. Steele just had a talent level that JB doesn't. Of course the flip side is that we can be a much worse team with Steele add well. Higher highs, lower lows....

This.

 

[LegendofRodA]

Jantz "technically" would have scored in a real game situation on his run....he was "tagged" at the 2 yd line and then the o stalled.[/QUOTE]

So I see not too much has changed from last year...there is nothing more frustrating than seeing an offense move the ball only to turn it over or stall out in the opponent's territory. I was kinda hoping this was a Herman issue and not our QBs.

 

[zwclones51]

I just watched the highlights of the Iowa game again. Simply put, we can be a much better team with Steele than we can with JB. Steele just had a talent level that JB doesn't. Of course the flip side is that we can be a much worse team with Steele add well. Higher highs, lower lows....

This.

Co-rect.

 

[KFitzy87]

Gotta remember people, we all expected our 1st team defense to be pretty good. CPR has said he wants to force more turnovers and our D yesterday probably had that in the back of their heads all day. Even without JK out there, they're a pretty good unit that was effective against the pass last year. If we were looking for our offense to come out and shred through the D like it was nothing then there's something wrong.

 

[clonedude]

I just watched the highlights of the Iowa game again. Simply put, we can be a much better team with Steele than we can with JB. Steele just had a talent level that JB doesn't. Of course the flip side is that we can be a much worse team with Steele as well. Higher highs, lower lows....

This sums it up perfectly. If Jantz is clicking on all cylinders, we can be great, but if he isn't we can be really, really bad too. Look at the UConn game last year. 3 out of Jantz's first 4 throws were INT's. That's about as bad as you will ever see a QB perform.... ever.

So Jantz is high risk, high reward. JB is more of a lower risk, lower reward QB IMO. Tough to tell which is better?

 

[dualthreat]

Gotta remember people, we all expected our 1st team defense to be pretty good. CPR has said he wants to force more turnovers and our D yesterday probably had that in the back of their heads all day. Even without JK out there, they're a pretty good unit that was effective against the past last year. If we were looking for our offense to come out and shred through the D like it was nothing then there's something wrong.

This.

1. People on here are over reacting as usual.
2. Our defense is SOLID. Led by returning big 12 defensive player of the year AJ Klein!

 

[snowcraig2.0]

What's funny about the UConn game is that after those first 4 throws, Steele was like 18 for 20. No one talks about that.

 

[awd4cy]

This sums it up perfectly. If Jantz is clicking on all cylinders, we can be great, but if he isn't we can be really, really bad too. Look at the UConn game last year. 3 out of Jantz's first 4 throws were INT's. That's about as bad as you will ever see a QB perform.... ever.

So Jantz is high risk, high reward. JB is more of a lower risk, lower reward QB IMO. Tough to tell which is better?

Yea the biggest win in school history wasn't very rewarding imo.

 

[Rabbuk]

Yea the biggest win in school history wasn't very rewarding imo.

Since one exception disproves the rule.

 

[istater7]

Yea the biggest win in school history wasn't very rewarding imo.

I'm not sure that we're talking winning games in that regard..more that Jantz has a higher chance of a big play, and a higher chance of a bad one while JB has low for both (kind of).