Student turnout is apalling

[ajk4st8]

This whole problem is getting way overblown.


It just seems that as soon as they developed the entire "you must have on a CA shirt to sit down low" our student section has declined.

Why not start something simple.. Sell actual paper season tickets to students.... GA seating for both Lower levels.

Stop selling the upper level on the east to students. Make that General Admission to anyone, so students could still get those.

 

[MissouriCyclone]

There are 5 rows in arena circle and each seat costs between $1,100-$1,700/seat ticket/season. These will not go to students, nor will they.

There are gaps, but consistently these are fuller.

This pays the cost for the team to fly to away games and make money to cover the bottom line.

There is a waiting list of folks donating $2,500 who want to move down from the balcony.

It will not happen, regardless of how anyone feels either way. (referring to student section moving).

My point was making it more full. Since a lot of the people on here are saying that's what matters. I think moving to side would be dumb, as I'm graduating in a year anyway. I was going more for the full affect and then selling those upper tier seats to regular people. I know those seats cost a lot as they should.

 

[Cychotiic]

Here is my long post for a solution, I hope it doesn't get burried:

First let me preface by saying that the students that bought tickets and then haven't shown up to the games **** me off like no other. Let me remind you that tickets were sold out as early as June for students. I, my girlfriend, and another friend of mine, all would have bought tickets, but procrastinated as we all were unsure of whether or not we would use ALL of them. Then they sold out. I have no doubt in my mind that we would have gone to 90+% of the home games.

Second, students ******** about having to study and stuff. Seriously? Shut the **** up... I am a chemical engineer, it's ******* harder than about any major and I still find time to watch and go to about every bball game. It's not that I choose not to study if I have a test, it's that I plan my studying AROUND the basketball game. Don't act like you're burning your mind studying for stat 101 or business 101 classes. If your craming the night before the test, then you did a poor job planning it.

Now for the solutions:

1. Sell tickets individually by game:
A simple concept. One goes to the game, swipes their student card, and the ticket price, averaged out over every game is added to their U-bill. Simple. Students like me that are pretty die hard, yet just procrastinated too long on tickets, now still have the opportunity to go to every game. The dbags that bought SEASON tickets to only go to one or two games, can still go to those one or two games. This is my preffered solution. One which I think is very feasible and not too difficiult to complete.

2. Sell tickets based on turnout:
If a student doesn't turnout for more than 50% of the games, put their ticket on hold. If turnout eventually gets better, up it to 75%. Freshman tickets are immediately put on hold. Another simple solution, yet more difficult to accomplish.

It's a long post, but these are two very feasible solutions. As a student who has spent more money buying individual tickets in the upperdecks, due to the season ticket "sellout" this is a very pressing issue. One that really infuriates me.

 

[Ciclone]

So if you include your donation, do I include my $9,000 in tuition that I have to pay for the rights to buy my tickets?

Only if you paid that $9K solely to get better seats.

 

[chuckd4735]

So if you include your donation, do I include my $9,000 in tuition that I have to pay for the rights to buy my tickets?

No, you would only include $45 of that $9000, because that is all the athletic department sees of the $9000 you pay.

 

[chuckd4735]

Here is my long post for a solution, I hope it doesn't get burried:

First let me preface by saying that the students that bought tickets and then haven't shown up to the games **** me off like no other. Let me remind you that tickets were sold out as early as June for students. I, my girlfriend, and another friend of mine, all would have bought tickets, but procrastinated as we all were unsure of whether or not we would use ALL of them. Then they sold out. I have no doubt in my mind that we would have gone to 90+% of the home games.

Second, students ******** about having to study and stuff. Seriously? Shut the **** up... I am a chemical engineer, it's ******* harder than about any major and I still find time to watch and go to about every bball game. It's not that I choose not to study if I have a test, it's that I plan my studying AROUND the basketball game. Don't act like you're burning your mind studying for stat 101 or business 101 classes. If your craming the night before the test, then you did a poor job planning it.

Now for the solutions:

1. Sell tickets individually by game:
A simple concept. One goes to the game, swipes their student card, and the ticket price, averaged out over every game is added to their U-bill. Simple. Students like me that are pretty die hard, yet just procrastinated too long on tickets, now still have the opportunity to go to every game. The dbags that bought SEASON tickets to only go to one or two games, can still go to those one or two games. This is my preffered solution. One which I think is very feasible and not too difficiult to complete.

2. Sell tickets based on turnout:
If a student doesn't turnout for more than 50% of the games, put their ticket on hold. If turnout eventually gets better, up it to 75%. Freshman tickets are immediately put on hold. Another simple solution, yet more difficult to accomplish.

It's a long post, but these are two very feasible solutions. As a student who has spent more money buying individual tickets in the upperdecks, due to the season ticket "sellout" this is a very pressing issue. One that really infuriates me.

I like this idea, but at what point do you start selling the unused tickets in the student section to the general public?

 

[Beerbrat]

No, you would only include $45 of that $9000, because that is all the athletic department sees of the $9000 you pay.

But if I don't pay that then I can't sit in the student section just like if you don't donate you can't sit where that donor level is seated.

 

[Cychotiic]

I like this idea, but at what point do you start selling the unused tickets in the student section to the general public?

This I am unsure of, I'll let someone else iron out the details :v_SPIN:

 

[chuckd4735]

But if I don't pay that then I can't sit in the student section just like if you don't donate you can't sit where that donor level is seated.

Well yeah...I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here...

 

[MissouriCyclone]

I like this idea, but at what point do you start selling the unused tickets in the student section to the general public?

Email Jamie Pollard?

 

[Beerbrat]

Well yeah...I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here...

More arguing against the point that non-students pay more for tickets because of their donations. I know it isn't a perfect analogy, but it is fairly close IMHO

 

[alarson]

I like this idea, but at what point do you start selling the unused tickets in the student section to the general public?

This is why i would start with allowing the students to do just that, all non-students with a student ticket could sit in the balcony (would still need a CA shirt for lower level). This would open them up to a much larger pool of who to resell to.

And for those couple hundred who never bother to pick up their tickets at all, if they were paper tickets it would make it easier for the AD to sell those right before tipoff and get them used.

I would agree that improvements need to be made, im just not on board with the knee jerk reaction some have to take their seats.

 

[MissouriCyclone]

How about the AD assumes that 100-200 students won't show up for the upper tier and just sell those as GA for non-students? It wouldn't fill it up, but it would get more money and it would look full.

(Don't know if this has been said)

 

[ajk4st8]

The upper deck 'student section' has not been more than 50% full 6 years. Fact.

That section is not in question here. All of us realize the students wont fill it up, because they have proven they wont for a very long time... even in the NCAA/NIT Final 4 years.

We all agree that needs to be turned over to other fans who will attend... especially over break.

 

[alarson]

The upper deck 'student section' has not been more than 50% full 6 years. Fact.

That section is not in question here. All of us realize the students wont fill it up, because they have proven they wont for a very long time... even in the NCAA/NIT Final 4 years.

We all agree that needs to be turned over to other fans who will attend... especially over break.

Lol, because the other fans really fill the place up over break.

Oh, and we've sucked, for 6 years. Fact. Aside from the 05 season, we've sucked for a decade.

 

[Beerbrat]

The upper deck 'student section' has not been more than 50% full 6 years. Fact.

That section is not in question here. All of us realize the students wont fill it up, because they have proven they wont for a very long time... even in the NCAA/NIT Final 4 years.

We all agree that needs to be turned over to other fans who will attend... especially over break.

Students tickets don't include break games so those games are all on the non-students to show up (or students to buy more tickets outside of the tickets they already bought).

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I'm going to have to call BS on this. If there is no excitement for MBB this year I don't know what's wrong with the students. Seriously, there should be MORE excitement this year than there would be if they were used to going to the NCAA tourney. These late season games actually matter and they matter a lot.

I have no clue why the students didn't show up but I think it is stupid. You've been waiting for YEARS to see meaningful Cyclone Basketball. Do not waste it.

I hate to beat a dead horse but Greg McDoormat killed the intensity, the passion, the bond between the program and the fans, and everything that made Hilton Magic what it was. He strangled it, put a plastic bag over it's head, beat it with a baseball bat, od'ed it on pills, stabbed it in the heart, put a bullet in it's head, and then put some concrete shoes on it and dropped it to the bottom of Lake LaVerne to eliminate any hope that it could possibly survive. This is year 2 of starting from scratch. It's going to take some time to rebuild the damaged bonds, the passion, the intensity, etc... within the fanbase. It's coming back slowly but progress is being made. Greg "The Destroyer" McDoormat set the ISU men's basketball program back 30 years with the hatchet job he did. We can't make up those 30 years overnight. We have to be patient. Fans will come back, the students will come back, and the Magic will come back but it is going to take time.

 

[ISUCubswin]

I agree the turnout last night was pretty upsetting. I am a student, and it was the first game I didn't go to. There are plenty of GREAT reasons I did not go.

1. I am Catholic, I celebrated Ash Wednesday at night. I had classes during the day, excuse me.
2. I have a test today, I can't spend the 4 hours it takes on game nights and not study for a midterm.
3. Today is the first time this semester I had to go somewhere at 7 in the morning, and it's 30 minutes from my house, at a place I've never been before. I was up at 5:30.

You don't need to know my personal life, it's not worth anyones time. The point this should be showing is that students aren't just sitting on their ***** not caring about them. I had the game on while I studied. Last night was an embarrassing appearance from the student section. But there really haven't been many NON-break games that have been terrible.

If you want to discuss bad student turn out CONSISTENTLY, go to a Nebraska, Iowa, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, or Texas Tech game.

 

[CarlHungus]

I agree the turnout last night was pretty upsetting. I am a student, and it was the first game I didn't go to. There are plenty of GREAT reasons I did not go.

1. I am Catholic, I celebrated Ash Wednesday at night. I had classes during the day, excuse me.
2. I have a test today, I can't spend the 4 hours it takes on game nights and not study for a midterm.
3. Today is the first time this semester I had to go somewhere at 7 in the morning, and it's 30 minutes from my house, at a place I've never been before. I was up at 5:30.

You don't need to know my personal life, it's not worth anyones time. The point this should be showing is that students aren't just sitting on their ***** not caring about them. I had the game on while I studied. Last night was an embarrassing appearance from the student section. But there really haven't been many NON-break games that have been terrible.

If you want to discuss bad student turn out CONSISTENTLY, go to a Nebraska, Iowa, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, or Texas Tech game.

None of those teams have NCAA tournament hopes

 

[Ms3r4ISU]

So if you include your donation, do I include my $9,000 in tuition that I have to pay for the rights to buy my tickets?

Only if you paid that $9K solely to get better seats.

No, you would only include $45 of that $9000, because that is all the athletic department sees of the $9000 you pay.

More arguing against the point that non-students pay more for tickets because of their donations. I know it isn't a perfect analogy, but it is fairly close IMHO

I assume the $9,000 figure is a fulltime tuition amount?
Is "fulltime" required to buy student athletic tickets?
I don't think tuition is a donation to the athletic department.

Shoot. I wasn't going to get into this issue.