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What are your ISU Football W-L Expectations now?

This is what the Big 12 should look like next year, assuming I not missing any new contracts on current coaches...

Mack Brown- $5.2 mil
Bob Stoops- $4.1 mil
Charlie Weis- $2.5 mil
Art Briles- $2.5 mil (rumored)
Mike Gundy- $2.1 mil
Tommy T.- $2.1 mil
Gary Patterson- $2.0 mil
Rhoads- $2.0 mil
Snyder- $1.9 mil
Dana Holgerson- $1.5 mil
 
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My expectations: 5+ wins a year and no reason to doubt as he has already done that with extremely difficult scheduling.


The Contract's expectations: build our program to a place we have never been. 10 years is a long time for college football head coaching years.
 
JonDMiller said:
Great to see CPR get this deal. I think its a good move for all involved.

I pose this question to you: What are your W-L expectations for ISU football, given this contract?

I am not one of those people that feels a coaches worth to a program is all about Wins. ISU had a .500 season this year and had the best attendance year in school history, seeing 50k or more people in the stands for every home game for the first time ever.

There is a GREAT deal of value in that for the athletic department, so I think this sort of contract is certainly in line.

However, one thing I have noticed with Kirk's increased salary, is that certain win totals which have in the past been acceptable, are no longer acceptable to a certain segment of the fanbase.

With these types of dollars, a certain segment of the fanbase will have a quicker trigger to be more critical...can't say how large that segment will be.

What are your thoughts?
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Here's what I think Mr. Miller. If there's supposed to be a direct correlation between salary and wins/year, then it would seem logical that CPR is meeting his obligation if he's able to win half as many games as your coach since your coach is still making twice as much as CPR.

Let's see, I guess that would equate to 3 to 4 wins per year. Also, it means that CRP should be able to beat Ferentz 1/3 of the time when they play head-to-head. What are your thoughts?
 
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cycloneworld said:
My expectations are to compete for a bowl game year in and year out. That doesn't mean I expect Rhoads to go to 10 straight bowls but be competing for a stop year in and year out. Once every 3-4 years, I want us to win 8+ games. And maybe (fingers crossed), we can go for a 10 win season or 2 under Rhoads.
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This. We already know that CPR is more then capable of this. In the 3 seasons directly following the funeral for Iowa State Football (after Eugene Chizik murdered it) we have gone to 2 bowl games and were a missed 2 point conversion pass from going 3 for 3. From all appearances CPR and his staff have been having success on the recruiting trail in getting the guys that they want. The improvement of this program "could" jump when his recruits start hitting the field. Could is the key word as success is never guaranteed based on previous results but I doubted the CPR hire initially and I have learned my lesson... I won't make that mistake twice. All in!
 
CysMyBoy said:
I agree that 5-7 is acceptable, for now. We're already hitting that mark, so shouldn't expectations be rising now that Mizzou and aTm are being replaced withe lesser programs?
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Lesser Programs? 2 teams that have played in Multiple BCS games in the last 5 years are lesser programs?
 
djcubby said:
Isn't it ironic that a Hawk homer would come on here after our coach gets a raise and talk about win-loss expectations increasing because more money is being spent??

Your coach has the one of the highest salaries in college football and the W-L expectations are way too low in the Herkyhood, IMO.

What are your expectations of Ferentz, Jon? And if he isn't meeting them, what are you doing to help rile support to have him ousted??
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I don't think he is out of line for asking the question. It is a fair question to raise.

The optimist in me wants us to be the next K-State, but with the way the Big 12 is set up right now, that might be asking too much. K-State back in the day could schedule 4 cupcakes out of conference, and all they would have to do to become bowl eligible was win two conference games (this was back when K-State was horrible, not your Michael Bishop K-State teams). Eventually, they were winning 8, 9, 10 games a year and going to some really good bowl games.

The realist in me wants us to compete for bowl games every year. Anything less than a bowl birth is disappointing to me.
 
Half as many victories as Kirk is expected to attain. PR's salary is in line with the current market. Kirk's salary, on the other hand, is at the top of the scale and that intensifies the expectations.

PR's salary does not change my expectations. I would like to see ISU win a bowl game every season. With that said, there will always be cycles at ISU, and I know we will have to endure those as well.
 
A 5 win season would be very disappointing from here on out. I expect in the range of 7-8 wins in the next few years.
 
bpmcclain said:
I don't think he is out of line for asking the question. It is a fair question to raise.

The optimist in me wants us to be the next K-State, but with the way the Big 12 is set up right now, that might be asking too much. K-State back in the day could schedule 4 cupcakes out of conference, and all they would have to do to become bowl eligible was win two conference games (this was back when K-State was horrible, not your Michael Bishop K-State teams). Eventually, they were winning 8, 9, 10 games a year and going to some really good bowl games.

The realist in me wants us to compete for bowl games every year. Anything less than a bowl birth is disappointing to me.
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I agree with this, but consider where K-State was at that time...much darker of a place than ISU is now. After all we have witnessed in the short head coaching career of Paul Rhoads, 1 thing can be said: Don't underestimate him. Ever.:yes:
 
bpmcclain said:
I don't think he is out of line for asking the question. It is a fair question to raise.

The optimist in me wants us to be the next K-State, but with the way the Big 12 is set up right now, that might be asking too much. K-State back in the day could schedule 4 cupcakes out of conference, and all they would have to do to become bowl eligible was win two conference games (this was back when K-State was horrible, not your Michael Bishop K-State teams). Eventually, they were winning 8, 9, 10 games a year and going to some really good bowl games.

The realist in me wants us to compete for bowl games every year. Anything less than a bowl birth is disappointing to me.
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Why can't we be the next K-State? I don't think thats asking too much at all? Maybe for next year it is, but down the line not at all. K-State won 10 games this year and played the same conference schedule as we did.
 
djcubby said:
Isn't it ironic that a Hawk homer would come on here after our coach gets a raise and talk about win-loss expectations increasing because more money is being spent??

Your coach has the one of the highest salaries in college football and the W-L expectations are way too low in the Herkyhood, IMO.

What are your expectations of Ferentz, Jon? And if he isn't meeting them, what are you doing to help rile support to have him ousted??
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As long as we continue to beat the shil out of the hoks .......... I'll be happy.
 
JonDMiller said:
Great to see CPR get this deal. I think its a good move for all involved.

I pose this question to you: What are your W-L expectations for ISU football, given this contract?

I am not one of those people that feels a coaches worth to a program is all about Wins. ISU had a .500 season this year and had the best attendance year in school history, seeing 50k or more people in the stands for every home game for the first time ever.

There is a GREAT deal of value in that for the athletic department, so I think this sort of contract is certainly in line.

However, one thing I have noticed with Kirk's increased salary, is that certain win totals which have in the past been acceptable, are no longer acceptable to a certain segment of the fanbase.

With these types of dollars, a certain segment of the fanbase will have a quicker trigger to be more critical...can't say how large that segment will be.

What are your thoughts?
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Be competitive in the vast majority of games. 6 bowl games over the ten years. Pull some upsets.

Pretty much what he has been doing, but hopefully with stability in the staff and more recruiting success he can give us a couple years like we've never had before at ISU...
 
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CysMyBoy said:
I like my chances with TCU minus Andy Dalton over MIZZOU and have you seen who WVU played this season? Not saying they're bad, but aTm is a better program
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Not sure what happened that they have fallen off a bit the last few years...but I remember watching WV a few years ago and thinking they were crazy fast all over the field, smaller scale to how Oregon is now. Im excited to play WV every year!
 
CycloneJames said:
Why can't we be the next K-State? I don't think thats asking too much at all? Maybe for next year it is, but down the line not at all. K-State won 10 games this year and played the same conference schedule as we did.
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Don't get me wrong, I do think it is possible. However, you have to realize that ISU will probably always be at a disadvantage $ wise comapred to the big boys of the conference. Texas, OU, and Okie State will always have more money and resources than us. That will make it very difficult to consistently win 8,9, or 10 games a year.

Can we have a dream season where we win 10 or 11 games in a year? Absolutely. I have a much harder time believing that we can do that on a consistent basis. That being said, I really hope that I am proven wrong
 
djcubby said:
Isn't it ironic that a Hawk homer would come on here after our coach gets a raise and talk about win-loss expectations increasing because more money is being spent??

Your coach has the one of the highest salaries in college football and the W-L expectations are way too low in the Herkyhood, IMO.

What are your expectations of Ferentz, Jon? And if he isn't meeting them, what are you doing to help rile support to have him ousted??
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It all depends on who you ask. Some people think that just because a coach is paid a certain amount it should equal a certain amount of wins. It's not that easy. It's a lot easier to coach and recruit in certain parts of the country and sometimes you need to pay your coaches who you think give your team the best shot at winning. Sometimes that pay makes it look like that coach should be getting 9+ wins a year. But I don't (and this is just my opinion) put those two things hand in hand.

You guys gave CPR a raise because you think he is the best chance at changing the program. I think Iowa did the same. Paid him enough to keep him in town. I think ISU and Iowa are in the same boat in that sense.

If Iowa gets consistent bowl games and a BCS bowl game every so often, I don't care what you pay Ferentz. Because the school will be making money and I will be happy. I'd think you wouldn't mind the same thing.
 
Where the program is at now with CPR, all Cyclone fans should expect to win a bowl game every year.

CPR preaches continuous improvement so I expect in few years for ISU to compete to be in the upper half of the conference.

After few more years (after year 4 of the new contract) I expect ISU to compete for conference Titles.
 
JonDMiller said:
Great to see CPR get this deal. I think its a good move for all involved.

I pose this question to you: What are your W-L expectations for ISU football, given this contract?

I am not one of those people that feels a coaches worth to a program is all about Wins. ISU had a .500 season this year and had the best attendance year in school history, seeing 50k or more people in the stands for every home game for the first time ever.

There is a GREAT deal of value in that for the athletic department, so I think this sort of contract is certainly in line.

However, one thing I have noticed with Kirk's increased salary, is that certain win totals which have in the past been acceptable, are no longer acceptable to a certain segment of the fanbase.

With these types of dollars, a certain segment of the fanbase will have a quicker trigger to be more critical...can't say how large that segment will be.

What are your thoughts?
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Kirk's is so overpaid for what he accomplishes.....it is not even debatable.
 
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