*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[Die4Cy]

I don't think that's true...

SEC will reopen contract with ESPN - CBSSports.com

It's silly to think that everything the SEC is doing is because they want to "weaken" the Big 12 and hold more "leverage." There's plenty of TV money for everyone, and if the SEC was REALLY interested in wrecking the Big 12, they wouldn't have added TAMU and MU. They would have found a spot for OU, and watched as the rest of the Big 12 dissolved.

This move was about increasing the amount of money available to member schools...that's it. They found two nearby schools who wanted out of the Big 12 and that could get them more money from the TV networks.

The SEC may expand to 16, but only if they can move into areas they're not already in (like NC, VA, or OK). In the end, all of the teams that moved are happier, and all of the major conferences are still functioning. Everybody walks away satisified.

The SEC is two years into a 15 year deal that isn't comparable to what the leagues that have negotiated since then have been able to receive. Adding teams was their only opportunity to gain a "look in" provision.

I do not believe the SEC intent was to destroy the Big 12, but weakening the Big 12 provided them the greatest opportunity since the Big 12 is next in line for Tier I TV negotiations. You are wrong, there is NOT an infinite amount of money the networks will spend to contract college football. If they could find a way to keep more in the kitty until they could claim it, it would be in their interest to do so.

I believe the SEC's main motivation was making a move in order to get out of the TV deal they had only just begun, and the reason was the Pac-12 deal.

 

[Wesley]

They just might want to look at changing their conference name. Just maybe.

The Super Duper Pooper Conference
The New York Stock Exchange Conference
The Transcontinental Highway Conference
The My Way Conference
The Lightweight Conference
The Pickup Conference
The Bring it On Conference

 

[Wesley]

I don't think that's true...

SEC will reopen contract with ESPN - CBSSports.com

It's silly to think that everything the SEC is doing is because they want to "weaken" the Big 12 and hold more "leverage." There's plenty of TV money for everyone, and if the SEC was REALLY interested in wrecking the Big 12, they wouldn't have added TAMU and MU. They would have found a spot for OU, and watched as the rest of the Big 12 dissolved.

This move was about increasing the amount of money available to member schools...that's it. They found two nearby schools who wanted out of the Big 12 and that could get them more money from the TV networks.

The SEC may expand to 16, but only if they can move into areas they're not already in (like NC, VA, or OK). In the end, all of the teams that moved are happier, and all of the major conferences are still functioning. Everybody walks away satisified.

Will SEC schools get more money per school next year than this year? Will they?

 

[Wesley]

The SEC is two years into a 15 year deal that isn't comparable to what the leagues that have negotiated since then have been able to receive. Adding teams was their only opportunity to gain a "look in" provision.

I do not believe the SEC intent was to destroy the Big 12, but weakening the Big 12 provided them the greatest opportunity since the Big 12 is next in line for Tier I TV negotiations. You are wrong, there is NOT an infinite amount of money the networks will spend to contract college football. If they could find a way to keep more in the kitty until they could claim it, it would be in their interest to do so.

I believe the SEC's main motivation was making a move in order to get out of the TV deal they had only just begun, and the reason was the Pac-12 deal.

For all we know they may have wanted UT and OU instead of Mo'Man and Tammy.

 

[MNCyGuy]

Is anybody else really interested to see what happens with the non-BCS conferences now in the aftermath of the Big East's expansion? A Mountain West and WAC re-merger seems like an inevitability at this point, but where does that leave the two schools that are set to start football programs next year specifically to join the WAC? Where will C-USA look to make up for the loss of some of it's biggest programs? Louisana Tech and Florida International seem like obvious fits. Would they consider Temple who is kind of a 13th wheel in the MAC right now? It seems like the MAC may be the only conference that doesn't see some sort of major shake-up in the last three years.

 

[cyman05]

Is anybody else really interested to see what happens with the non-BCS conferences now in the aftermath of the Big East's expansion? A Mountain West and WAC re-merger seems like an inevitability at this point, but where does that leave the two schools that are set to start football programs next year specifically to join the WAC? Where will C-USA look to make up for the loss of some of it's biggest programs? Louisana Tech and Florida International seem like obvious fits. Would they consider Temple who is kind of a 13th wheel in the MAC right now? It seems like the MAC may be the only conference that doesn't see some sort of major shake-up in the last three years.

The C-USA/Mtn West merger is supposedly going through no matter what happened or who left. They can add WAC/MAC teams if necessary, but I doubt they add more than 1-2 schools.

 

[alarson]

And apparently the WAC has been in touch with the teams that had announced they were leaving for the MWC, offering them their spots back. That may be a DOA offer, but on the other hand, might be more attractive than travelling all over the country in a MWC-CUSA merger

 

[MNCyGuy]

The C-USA/Mtn West merger is supposedly going through no matter what happened or who left. They can add WAC/MAC teams if necessary, but I doubt they add more than 1-2 schools.

I forgot that they had announced that. That whole thing is going to be a mess then. Especially if Air Force/Navy to Big East for football ends up happening.

If the WAC is really accepting teams back with open arms I can definitely see Hawaii re-evaluating their move.

 

[Wesley]

Has BYU made a decision yet or they going to be the Home of Creampufff U?

 

[Mizzoulander]

Will SEC schools get more money per school next year than this year? Will they?

I don't know about next year...my guess is that the "look-in" period will adjust the contract to maintain the amount of money to each school, with an equal share for the new schools as well.

They're certainly not going to receive LESS. The SEC just added a whole bunch of new viewers to the conference. The product they're selling to CBS and ESPN just became more valuable to advertisers. It's natural to assume that networks would be willing to pay for that.

 

[Wesley]

 

[twojman]

I called dibbs, she is mine!

 

[fccy]

Has BYU made a decision yet or they going to be the Home of Creampufff U?

I believe stay with what they got (for now).

IIRC, both the Big 12 and Big East were willing to, in some way, accomodate the no play on Sunday thing.

The deal killer, for BE (and Probably B12, but not mentioned a whole lot), was that BYU wanted to keep all home FB games on their network.

 

[Stormin]

I believe stay with what they got (for now).

IIRC, both the Big 12 and Big East were willing to, in some way, accomodate the no play on Sunday thing.

The deal killer, for BE (and Probably B12, but not mentioned a whole lot), was that BYU wanted to keep all home FB games on their network.

BYU is overrated. NO BYU. They do not add a whole lot IMO. And the Conference Basketball Tournament Championship game is on Sunday.......period. The Big 12 does NOT need BYU. The Pac 12 did not even want them.

 

[EYEoftheSTORM]

I believe stay with what they got (for now).

IIRC, both the Big 12 and Big East were willing to, in some way, accomodate the no play on Sunday thing.

The deal killer, for BE (and Probably B12, but not mentioned a whole lot), was that BYU wanted to keep all home FB games on their network.

That would be a huge deal breaker... Do you really think your BYU network would own a game vs. Texas... get a grip on your ego.

 

[BCClone]

BYU is overrated. NO BYU. They do not add a whole lot IMO. And the Conference Basketball Tournament Championship game is on Sunday.......period. The Big 12 does NOT need BYU. The Pac 12 did not even want them.

It's on Saturday now, or was last year. I think they did it hoping for better night exposure, not sure if it helped though.

 

[Stormin]

It's on Saturday now, or was last year. I think they did it hoping for better night exposure, not sure if it helped though.

I still do not want BYU. The Pac 12 did not want them. They have not been a big enough draw for their previous conference to make them an AQ Conference. Much better options IMO.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I still do not want BYU. The Pac 12 did not want them. They have not been a big enough draw for their previous conference to make them an AQ Conference. Much better options IMO.

That's not why I don't want them. I don't want them because of their attitude that the Big 12 would be "privileged" to have BYU in their conference, and all of the special demands that go with their attitude. I have no problems with scheduling around Sundays. I have no problems with letting them keep their BYU Network. It's their insistence of being treated like (or better) than the Big 12 would treat Texas or Notre Dame without the same level of relevance or significance that I don't like. Plus they're a hell of a lot farther away than Louisville without being more significant than Louisville.

 

[Stormin]

That's not why I don't want them. I don't want them because of their attitude that the Big 12 would be "privileged" to have BYU in their conference, and all of the special demands that go with their attitude. I have no problems with scheduling around Sundays. I have no problems with letting them keep their BYU Network. It's their insistence of being treated like (or better) than the Big 12 would treat Texas or Notre Dame without the same level of relevance or significance that I don't like. Plus they're a hell of a lot farther away than Louisville without being more significant than Louisville.

IMO, Louisville is a helluva lot better target. Louisville is a BCS football school right now. And has a helluva lot more tradition in BB than BYU. Back in the day when BYU played no one when they were coached by LaVell Edwards they made some noise. Recently BYU is very, very mediocre in a bad conference. And you are correct about their arrogance.

Is Pitt that solid in their commitment to the ACC? ACC sucks in football.

 

[Mizzoulander]

That's not why I don't want them. I don't want them because of their attitude that the Big 12 would be "privileged" to have BYU in their conference, and all of the special demands that go with their attitude. I have no problems with scheduling around Sundays. I have no problems with letting them keep their BYU Network. It's their insistence of being treated like (or better) than the Big 12 would treat Texas or Notre Dame without the same level of relevance or significance that I don't like. Plus they're a hell of a lot farther away than Louisville without being more significant than Louisville.

You gotta remember that this is a business deal; take the emotion out of it. It's the BYU administration's job to get the best conference deal they can, especially if they're going to stop being independent. It's the Big 12's job to integrate any new conference members while maintaining equitable treatment for current members.

If BYU gets too many "special demands" if they join, blame the Big 12, not BYU.

Ideally, the Big 12 would treat ALL members the same, regardless of their level of "significance."