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Mizzoulander said:
Missouri followed the time-tested Big 12 model of looking out for themselves first. Every other member of the conference would have done the same if presented with similar options.
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1. Time hasn't tested **** with regards to conference realignment (it has been 1 year). Not all results are positive (see: CU football even more irrelevant).

2. Not every other member would have done the same. All indications point that OU had the opportunity to ditch little brother and head to the SEC. They probably had a similar option to you.

3. This does not even address that argument that the Big XII is what is best for MU. Few people outside of MU folk believe that the transition to the SEC will be good for MU in the long run. That is why people are saying Meth is one hell of a drug - cause ya'll are crazy.
 
Mizzoulander said:
I don't care one bit about how they come off "looking" to others. They walked a drunken stumble on a high profile, emotional issue and ended up securing the best outcome for the other SEC teams and the city of St. Louis. Kudos to them.

The SEC looked like adults for slowly, methodically getting the chew toy they wanted into the conference...as FULL members (And the third tiger team). The Big 12...acted like the Big 12. Patient, thoughtful, midwestern folks. In any event, not many will remember Missouri in a couple of years.

Missouri followed the time-tested model of prostitution by looking out for themselves first. Every other member of the conference would have done the same if presented with similar options and had such an undesireable lay they just had to share with anyone willing to take their turn.
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FIFY. Again.
 
SEC will reopen contract with ESPN


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TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- The SEC will exercise one of its options to adjust the current ESPN contract with the conference, commissioner Mike Slive told CBSSports.com
The conference is expected to ask for an increase in the rights fees on the current 15-year, $3 billion deal after the addition of Texas A&M and Missouri. CBSSports.com confirmed a Saturday report that Missouri would become the SEC's 14th team after A&M joined in September.
In addition, there has long been industry speculation that the SEC would bundle some non-conference football games as a foundation for a separate network.
At intervals during such contracts, conferences are allowed periodic “look insâ€￾ to address issues such as these when they expand. Typically in these cases, the parties negotiate a rights fee increase. If they can’t come to an agreement the issue goes to arbitration. These situations have seldom, if ever, gone to arbitration according to several industry sources.
“We will look in,â€￾ Slive said adding that the issue likely will be addressed after the current season.
Currently, SEC schools are allowed to show one non-conference football game per year on a pay-per-view basis, according to Slive. None of the schools do so, however. Bundling 14 non-conference games – one for each team – and forming a network around the programming could create another windfall stream of revenue for the SEC.
An SEC network would be a separate entity along the lines of the Longhorn or Big Ten networks. It is thought that ESPN would have first crack at creating that network
The SEC, ESPN and CBS are two years into that 15-year deal.
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Those arguments about there being "no financial difference" between the Big 12 and SEC are looking worse...
 
Mizzoulander said:
SEC will reopen contract with ESPN


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TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- The SEC will exercise one of its options to adjust the current ESPN contract with the conference, commissioner Mike Slive told CBSSports.com
The conference is expected to ask for an increase in the rights fees on the current 15-year, $3 billion deal after the addition of Texas A&M and Missouri. CBSSports.com confirmed a Saturday report that Missouri would become the SEC's 14th team after A&M joined in September.
In addition, there has long been industry speculation that the SEC would bundle some non-conference football games as a foundation for a separate network.
At intervals during such contracts, conferences are allowed periodic “look insâ€￾ to address issues such as these when they expand. Typically in these cases, the parties negotiate a rights fee increase. If they can’t come to an agreement the issue goes to arbitration. These situations have seldom, if ever, gone to arbitration according to several industry sources.
“We will look in,â€￾ Slive said adding that the issue likely will be addressed after the current season.
Currently, SEC schools are allowed to show one non-conference football game per year on a pay-per-view basis, according to Slive. None of the schools do so, however. Bundling 14 non-conference games – one for each team – and forming a network around the programming could create another windfall stream of revenue for the SEC.
An SEC network would be a separate entity along the lines of the Longhorn or Big Ten networks. It is thought that ESPN would have first crack at creating that network
The SEC, ESPN and CBS are two years into that 15-year deal.
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Those arguments about there being "no financial difference" between the Big 12 and SEC are looking worse...
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Good luck with that.
 
Mizzoulander said:
SEC will reopen contract with ESPN


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TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- The SEC will exercise one of its options to adjust the current ESPN contract with the conference, commissioner Mike Slive told CBSSports.com
The conference is expected to ask for an increase in the rights fees on the current 15-year, $3 billion deal after the addition of Texas A&M and Missouri. CBSSports.com confirmed a Saturday report that Missouri would become the SEC's 14th team after A&M joined in September.
In addition, there has long been industry speculation that the SEC would bundle some non-conference football games as a foundation for a separate network.
At intervals during such contracts, conferences are allowed periodic “look insâ€￾ to address issues such as these when they expand. Typically in these cases, the parties negotiate a rights fee increase. If they can’t come to an agreement the issue goes to arbitration. These situations have seldom, if ever, gone to arbitration according to several industry sources.
“We will look in,â€￾ Slive said adding that the issue likely will be addressed after the current season.
Currently, SEC schools are allowed to show one non-conference football game per year on a pay-per-view basis, according to Slive. None of the schools do so, however. Bundling 14 non-conference games – one for each team – and forming a network around the programming could create another windfall stream of revenue for the SEC.
An SEC network would be a separate entity along the lines of the Longhorn or Big Ten networks. It is thought that ESPN would have first crack at creating that network
The SEC, ESPN and CBS are two years into that 15-year deal.
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Those arguments about there being "no financial difference" between the Big 12 and SEC are looking worse...
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I fail to see a statement from ESPN saying they are guaranteeing more moolah. Of course the SEC will ask for more dough, doesn't mean they are going to get it.

Nice try though.
 
CarolinaCy said:
I fail to see a statement from ESPN saying they are guaranteeing more moolah. Of course the SEC will ask for more dough, doesn't mean they are going to get it.

Nice try though.
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Thanks. :smile:

"Typically in these cases, the parties negotiate a rights fee increase. If they can’t come to an agreement the issue goes to arbitration. These situations have seldom, if ever, gone to arbitration according to several industry sources."
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If UT can get $15M for the LHN, what can the SEC get?

For as long as there as been speculation about TAMU moving, folks have thought that this is what the SEC would do: set up a BTN-style conference network with ESPN or another partner. Not a bland "We'll examine the possibility of a conference network" press release, but a negotiation with the networks to get more money for the league.
 
vmbplayer said:
yep. I'm sure the mighty Mizzou Tigers will garner another 2 million a year to split 14 ways. What a windfall.
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The Big 10 Network brought in more than $8M last year for every team in the league. Imagine what football that is actually WATCHABLE is worth. :smile:
 
Mizzoulander said:
Thanks. :smile:

"Typically in these cases, the parties negotiate a rights fee increase. If they can’t come to an agreement the issue goes to arbitration. These situations have seldom, if ever, gone to arbitration according to several industry sources."
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If UT can get $15M for the LHN, what can the SEC get?

For as long as there as been speculation about TAMU moving, folks have thought that this is what the SEC would do: set up a BTN-style conference network with ESPN or another partner. Not a bland "We'll examine the possibility of a conference network" press release, but a negotiation with the networks to get more money for the league.
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2 years into a 15 year contract and you think ESPN is going to back up a Brinks truck to the SEC because they added 2 historically average teams from the Big XII? Doubtful. You can wish in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up faster.

Regarding a conference network, do you really think that each member of the SEC is going to make $15M on that? If so, you're even dumber than most of your posts indicate.

What most of us are saying is that while Mizzou might make more $$$ in the SEC tomorrow than it does in the Big XII today (jury is definitely out on that), no one knows what the Big XII teams will be making tomorrow either. When the Tier 1 contract is renewed, it's possible that the Big XII teams could be making more $$$ than anyone in the country. You never know.
 
I don't know I think Mizzou makes the SEC much less watchable. Perhaps ESPN will take the reopening of the contract as an opportunity to reduce what they pay the SEC....
 
Mizzoulander said:
The Big 10 Network brought in more than $8M last year for every team in the league. Imagine what football that is actually WATCHABLE is worth. :smile:
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You mean like that LSU/Bama "game of the century" last Sat night that set football back 30 years? :twitcy:
 
Mizzoulander needs to go night night now. But good news, next year he can sleep during the Football season when Mizzery is out of the game by halftime. Hopefully he doesnt take the second half of ballgames to post here.
 
Good luck to the SEC if they think they get to rip up their 15 year deal and start fresh 2 years into it because market conditions have changed. Will they get more money? Probably. Will it be significant? Probably a 10-20% increase in value. I just can't believe that if you sign a 15 year deal with a TV network and then you want to rip it up that you hold much power in the renegotiation process.
 
Mizzoulander said:
If it turns out that the amount paid by each team is in the $26M-$28M range, then you'll be proven correct. Of course, if the issue were that clear cut, then I'd wonder why it hasn't been agreed to already?

If I'm TAMU or MU, and the Big 12 won't budge, I think I'd take my chances in court. The whole purpose of a settlement is to avoid that outcome; the Big 12 gets a chunk of money without having to defend or disclose its internal practices.

Don't confuse what you WANT to have happen with what probably WILL end up happening.
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Great. Go to court. Exit fees are explicitly spelled out. Big 12 countersues for legal fees due to a frivolous lawsuit. Mizzou pays $25 million to $30 million and the legal expenses for BOTH sides. I can't think of a more fitting going away present.
 
I've never seen such an awesome thread go downhill so much. It's a worst to first plummet.

Could Mizzoulander at least be banned from this one thread to restore it to its former glory? We still have at least two new conference members to discuss.
 
I read an article that if WVU can NOT join for the 2012-13 season that Mizzou would have no alternative but to stay as they would be liable for damages in the TV deals as the Big 12 would fall below 10 teams. Personally, I think that WVU will be able to join and there will be no problem. But an interesting thought.
 
Is the Big 12 seriously going to stop at 10 teams? Why don't we jut take Louisville and Cincinnati. If we are looking for a great academic institution, go after Rice. Just get the Big 12 back to 12 actual teams!
 
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