What have any of the Bball players been charged with since coming to ISU? Is your point that players with troubled pasts can come to Ames and rehabilitate their image, become productive members of society, and model students? If so, I agree.
Maybe next year, Hawkeyes.
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What have any of the Bball players been charged with since coming to ISU? Is your point that players with troubled pasts can come to Ames and rehabilitate their image, become productive members of society, and model students? If so, I agree.
Not quite, I actually thought this could have been a funny thread. I never said there was nothing to see here; there obviously are some problems, I'm not denying that. Those problems need to be addressed and shouldn't be "swept under the rug."
I said that you should all get over the petty little bull**** arguments you're having with other posters on a message board. If you want to go on living your life like that and are that concerned/insecure with what other people say to you from behind a computer screen, then go for it.
Err.. I never said anything about not being productive members of society or that they'd done anything criminal. I am stating that the collective joining of all these players who are perceived as players with issues. Are you saying that the reaction would be the same if they were coming to Iowa, and not to ISU and to the legendary/state respected Fred Hoiberg? That was my question
That is an impossible question to answer, players would actually have to want to go to Iowa to play basketball for us to have any idea.
I hang onto the rape issue because it was a defining moment for ferentz. How he handled it makes him a POS in my book. By most accounts, he knew what went on and suspended the two but did not dismiss them. Footballl players continued to harass the girl and nothing was done. He had players move back into the room. And imo what really defines him is he gave them good recommendations. He told Lou Tepper that he would take satterfield back if he could. Tepper took that to mean KF couldn't because of bad pub. That is disgusting.
Rape is a disgusting crime that will hang with that young lady forever. FOREVER. It doesn't go away when the players transfer. Those two scumbags got off without even being on the sexual predator list mostly due to the universsity mishandling the case. Yet, kf treated the incident like a common misdemeanor. That shows extremely low morals and pretty crappy character.
I could care less about the "city boyz." Again, I just point out that iowa has more arrests than the article states. Just because the criminals that committed worse crimes ar no longer on the team it doesn't erase the fact they committed them at iowa while they are members of the team and they were handled poorly at best. Since then you have had more drug arrests and another assault. The way Clayborn's was handled is funny. What did he have to do run stairs. Berryman got a year in jail for punching a guy and taking his $90 cell phone. BTW- Berryman should have never been allowed back...he is a POS. I stated that at the time as well.
The alcohol things don't bother me much at all. What bothers me is hok fans dismissing them as being normal. They aren't normal. Even if you only count alcohol related offenses, hok football players are being arrested at a higher rate than normal iowa students. People claim they are targets but that is BS. When you get naked, destroy public property, urinate in public, pick a fight with an off duty cop, etc you are drawing attention to yourself. When that happens you will get arrested. Even in ames...ask Aaron Moore
Not sure if you read keeler's column today but he blames it on the "party atmosphere" and points to Florida St, Florida, Wisconsin, Miami, and Penn St as being rated top party schools then shows that they are also on the arrest list. Thing is iowa has twice as many arrests as all of those schools except PSU. So even when compared to other party schools, iowa has an inordinate amount of arrests.
No double standard as far as MBB goes. ISU fans don't even agree on bringing the tranfers in. There were heated debates on every Cyclone message board about bringing in White, Allen and Lucious. White is the only one with legal issues and Freddy researched that hard. JP didn't agree with it at first but through a thorough background/interview process signed off . The fanbase is probable split 60% yes, 40% no on taking those transfers at the time of the transfers. Fans will support them now that they are clones but if one of them slips up, you will see plenty saying "I told you so.". I like to look at Chris Colvin as a prime example. iowa is recruiting him. kid was a cancer in the lockerroom and I would not like him back at ISU but if he has changed and iowa wants him then more power to them and him.
As i stated earlier in this thread... even if you count ISU's basketball players and football players, they have only had 8 arrests(3 of which charges were dropped completely) in the last four years. 3 alcohol related, 3 drug related(charges were dropped), 1 misdeamenor shoplifting and one credit card theft. iowa had 24 from football alone. Even if you remove the alcohol offenses from iowa, they still beat ISU.
Keep in mind that 3 of ISU's arrest were late signees do to a coaching change. Means the staff had less time to evaluate character of the players.
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misinterpreted what you were saying. I like debate and I like the ISU/ iowa rivalry but i am not conerned or insecure about what people say to me on a computer.
One point to be made is Freddy has taken these troubled guys and kept them out of trouble (huge knock on wood). That says something for Freddy and ISU. Tells me they are looking after guys and have their finger on the pulse. GMac did this as well.
On another note, you should go back in this thread and look at the Fulmer Cup results. I have listed them for every year since the award started (2006). The Fulmer Cup ranks arrests and applies points based on severity. You will see that iowa is 11th all time, has two top ten finishes, and is knocking on the top ten for 2010. I am guessing that iowa will finish top 10 gain in 2010 when they add in ARob and DJK's arrest. While this award is a little tongue in cheek, they do a good job tracking arrests from all schools. You and hawkeyscott claim things have gotten better with the dismissal of the "city boyz' and the rapists but they will have their two highest finishes in the Fulmer Cup last year and this year. That tells me it is status quo in iowa city.
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"Freddy" huh. Im sure you guys are good buds and on a first name basis where you just call him "Freddy".
They are perceived as players with issues, yes, and Fred has taken that into account and believes that these players have changed/and or were not the problem to begin with. Is that right or wrong. Good debate. But you'd have to ask who is doing the perceiving. Hawk/Creighton/UNI fans? Does MSU want their guys back? I know, Izzo has said so at least once. Does that sound like a major "CHARACTER ISSUE" that might lead to a criminal record/problems. YOu know some players just leave because they don't like their situation. The hawk defense is deeply hypocritical. I think looking the other way, at the deep pattern of hawk issues has a lot of clear basis behind it.
As far as the debate about it resonating differently based on which program does it;
I think that the differences are justified. Yes, Fred is taking a chance here and if it blows up in his face even 1/10 the number of times that it has in Freerents track record, then I'll be disappointed. I wouldn't be looking to fire fred until say year 10 when things don't get anybetter and 3 different backeyes happen to freds program in less than - what a half a year.
But hey why call it a pattern when its only happened more at the eastern Iowa dupster more than it has happened at all the schools in the Big XII combined. I know lawyers can make math fuzzy when does Iowa call it a patter and look at the common denominator. Instead they are diligently hunting down the medical staff that leaked your flaming bag of poo. If only they were that good at finding the root cause, instead of the whisle blowers.
Before you start. I'll do it for you. HIPAA yada yada, it has nothing to do with the fact that they made Iowa look still worse (getting hard to do) yada yada, blah blah. Deflect deflect. Damn now I look forward to the company line being elaborated on, by at least 3 hawk appologists.
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Calvin Godfrey-- suspended for underage drinking
Jordan Railey-- operating while intoxicated
Charles Boozer-- assault on a woman
Who's keeping them out of trouble?
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good point and very valid. I was discussing the transfers but your point is a good one but let's see if he keeps that going for twelve years like ferentz. I have always said, I would expect more issues at ISU considering the number of coaching changes and the risks new coaches take just to fill classes.
You see that is one thing that iowa fans forget. Arrests at iowa are nothing new. iowa football players have been getting arrested on average 5 players per years for the last 12 years. That is proven consistency.
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The transfers have stayed out of trouble so far (I'm not implying that they will eventually). But that doesn't mean Hoiberg isn't gambling on them. Again, I don't have any issue with that, he's got no other choice unless he wants to be the coach for a cellar-dweller.
I don't know what kind of issues these players at Iowa had before coming to Iowa City. But for the time being I will assume that they aren't taking chances on guys who had issues in the past (I know DJK didn't have any legal issues until the raid). They aren't gambling, they're getting burned by guys seemed like they had good heads on their shoulders.
No, He just tried to keep DJK on the team while most the team knew he was using and teammates were fighting with each other over DJK's drug use.
And you got this information where, exactly? A couple of assumptions and wild conclusions there.
Actually don't look at me. They were conclusions that came from hawk fans on HN. It was all over hawknation shortly after the fight speculating why they were fighting and then a week later DJK gets raided forcing KF's hand as far as kicking at least one thug off the team, Those crazy *** assumptions from hawkfans. Gotta hate them. Especially when they turn out to be true.
Then to top it all off they do that super extensive blanket drug testing to catch the druggies that slipped through the crack. Again Hawks and HN were speculating 16-21 additional failed drug tests just as much as Cyclone lurkers. Don't you think it looks a little suspisious when the dumpster's PR people announce that oh its just one bad apple and there is nothing to see there? Only to find out that Oh Adam buddy slipped through the cracks again not once but 2x including that above and beyond crackdown.
But hey its happens everywhere, lets just keep moving the line in the sand. Kirkie can make bold statments and give us great soundbites only to make himself and the whole fanbase look like a bunch of suckers.
You'd think he'd be fresh out of bridges to sell you folks, but alas we're waiting with baited breath to hear yet again how the SnC program is so rigorously monitored and it is doing nothing wrong. Nothing to see here AGAIN please ignore the man behind the curtain. Look at the Great and powerful WinnOZ.f
How many national Mainstream news stories do you suckers have to see before you start to wonder about the man behind the curtain? Its okay Tin man. One day you'll get your wish.
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Okay then, now I know that you offered nothing of substance. You should know, that just because a Hawk fan says something, doesn't mean they're right. And a very high number of them biffed it in December on countless subjects.
Are you saying that the university shouldn't have held that press conference? Honestly, they should have held it sooner. They let rumors run wild for days, and they needed to address the issue.