Isaiah Austin to Baylor

[jbhtexas]

Really? Isn't Oklahoma in some trouble now? Not that they were awful but they became pretty damn good and were getting some 5 star players. Than we found out they were getting paid.

From 1981 until the present...
Tubbs had a 0.716 winning %, Sampson had 0.719 winning %, and Capel has a 0.676 winning %. They've always been pretty good in recent history, and their "awfulness" is not even remotely close to that of Baylor before Drew.

 

[woodie]

baylor basetball is donig well with their new coach. how may years has it been since their center was murdered. it was close to the fizer years because i went to the baylor -iowa state game. it was after eustachy coached the cyclones. i think that murder straigtened baylor out and made them somewhat religious....i like the ladies coach at baylor.she is almost as
good as bill fenelly at iowa state.i have been to the ladies isu-baylor
games in waco(whacko).... you sure can get the baylor ladies coach excited if you say" got mulk" as her last name i believe is mulkey.

my favorite question for baylor is their tall center a hemaphrodite?????

go cyclones

 

[jbhtexas]

baylor basetball is donig well with their new coach. how may years has it been since their center was murdered. it was close to the fizer years because i went to the baylor -iowa state game. it was after eustachy coached the cyclones. i think that murder straigtened baylor out and made them somewhat religious....i like the ladies coach at baylor.she is almost as
good as bill fenelly at iowa state.i have been to the ladies isu-baylor
games in waco(whacko).... you sure can get the baylor ladies coach excited if you say" got mulk" as her last name i believe is mulkey.

my favorite question for baylor is their tall center a hemaphrodite?????

go cyclones

Woodie's post needs to be the last one in this thread. It's perfect. Mods, please delete mine and close this one down...

 

[BU2CWS]

Pretty much just like you when it comes to providing any concrete evidence that Scott Drew is a cheater.

Proof that Baylor is not cheating is the fact that the NCAA has been in the basketball offices for investigations 3 times in the last 4 years and has yet to produce anything.

Further proof is in the coaches statements. Many on here falsely state that otehr coaches have accused Drew of cheating. They have accused him of negative recruiting but never cheating. Coaches do not make it a habit of snitching on each other but that rule does not apply across the board. It is mainly assistant coaches. Guys like Self, Coach K, Roy W, and Barnes have ways of snitching without it coming out that they are the ones who talked. The only reason they don't snitch is because they don't want to be blackballed. It isn't because they like each other. Guys like Self don't have to worry about being blackballed. They only threat to their continued employment is schools taking their place. I will all but guarantee that they are willing to throw a "youngster" like Drew under the bus if it means their personal continued success.

How do you guys think these scandals come out? Do you think that guys just decide to roll on themselves? Kelvin Sampson was not investigated because he accidentally sent telephone records to the NCAA or a newpaper. Someone turned him in. probably another Big 10 program.

To think that Baylor could show up Barnes and UT continually all the while cheating is giving Drew even more credit than Baylor fans.

 

[jbhtexas]

Further proof is in the coaches statements. Many on here falsely state that otehr coaches have accused Drew of cheating. They have accused him of negative recruiting but never cheating.

Exactly. This issue was discussed quite a bit last spring during the Big 12 tournament on local talk radio here. The primary issue that other coaches have with Drew isn't that he is breaking NCAA rules. The primary issue other coaches have with Drew is that they don't like what Drew says about their programs when he's recruiting against their schools. Drew has apparently broken some unwritten rules in this area.

In the case of Rick Barnes, the speculation was that Drew may have suggested to recruits that Barnes is an underachiever with the talent he gets, or some other such negative comments, and that Rick didn't take kindly to the comments when they got back to him. The problem for Barnes is that more and more UT fans are starting to think the same thing...

I'm certainly not condoning such behavior by Drew, but it is distinctly different than breaking NCAA rules.

 

[mangum]

Wait 'til you see who else we're going to get in 2012. :smile:

 

[CycloneWanderer]

Proof that Baylor is not cheating is the fact that the NCAA has been in the basketball offices for investigations 3 times in the last 4 years and has yet to produce anything.

Wait 'til you see who else we're going to get in 2012. :smile:

Great! This is why I hate when people talk about Baylor - more of their fans come out of the woodwork and will probably end up posting for months about irrelevant Baylor info no one here cares about. :mask:

 

[watupwitthat]

baylor basetball is donig well with their new coach. how may years has it been since their center was murdered. it was close to the fizer years because i went to the baylor -iowa state game. it was after eustachy coached the cyclones. i think that murder straigtened baylor out and made them somewhat religious....i like the ladies coach at baylor.she is almost as
good as bill fenelly at iowa state.i have been to the ladies isu-baylor
games in waco(whacko).... you sure can get the baylor ladies coach excited if you say" got mulk" as her last name i believe is mulkey.

my favorite question for baylor is their tall center a hemaphrodite?????

go cyclones

that is frickin' funny. spit up my margarita all over my laptop. the only problem with the quote, if she were a hemaphrodite (is that how it is spelled?), then, i think by NCAA rule, she would have to split time between the mens team and the womens team. and that would, as it turns out, put another 5 star on the mens team and would be further proof of drew's cheating.

 

[kucyclone]

Not that this is going to help, because everybody here has already made up their minds, but here's more evidence of Baylor's dirty recruiting.

Two individual sources detailed a story of how the Baylor staff informed Class of 2006 standout Dwight Lewis' family that it would be unwise to attend Kansas because the Jayhawks have the lowest graduation rate in the Big 12. Problem is, Kansas doesn't have the lowest graduation rate in the Big 12. "The irony is that one of the Baylor assistants, Jerome Tang, doesn't even have his bachelor's degree," one coach said. "And they're talking about graduation rates?" Lewis ultimately de-committed from Kansas. He signed with Southern California.

And, while we're on Kansas, just because Self said nice things about Baylor on TV, that doesn't mean that Self likes Drew. That's a huge leap. Self is not a fan of Drew; this story is just part of the reason. And it's not just over the video thing, which I'll agree got blown out of proportion. Drew's coaching decorum needs a lot of work.

And here's another one:

Three individual sources detailed a story of how the Baylor staff compiled a package of newspaper reports featuring off-the-court problems surrounding the Memphis program. The sources said Baylor then handed the packet to the family of Randolph, a Class of 2007 star whom Memphis was pursuing. "It wasn't the actual newspaper articles, it was like they had typed the text from the articles into a packet," said one coach who has seen the packet. "That hurt Memphis with the kid." Randolph remains uncommitted, though it's worth noting he is no longer considering Memphis.

In all seriousness, you just don't see these numbers of accusations against any other coach in the country. You can play the "innocent until proven guilty" card to death, but you have to admit that it's suspicious, looking at all of this together.

 

[jbhtexas]

Not that this is going to help, because everybody here has already made up their minds, but here's more evidence of Baylor's dirty recruiting.

Dirty...no question. Cheating...I don't think the activity you posted breaks any NCAA regulations. The initial allegations in this thread were that Drew was a cheater.

Also, just curious...has KU hired any more player relatives for the MBB coaching staff?

 

[kucyclone]

Dirty...no question. Cheating...I don't think the activity you posted breaks any NCAA regulations. The initial allegations in this thread were that Drew was a cheater.

Also, just curious...has KU hired any more player relatives for the MBB coaching staff?

I didn't know this thread was about KU at all; nice deflection. I also didn't know it was illegal to hire a player's dad.

Regardless, I would say that dirty recruiting is cheating. If Drew isn't playing under the same rule book as everyone else, is that not cheating?

 

[jbhtexas]

I didn't know this thread was about KU at all; nice deflection. I also didn't know it was illegal to hire a player's dad.

I haven't deflected anything. I asked a question. And it would be illegal if the job was given to the dad in return for the player signing at KU. That looks as bad as anything Drew has done at Baylor.

Regardless, I would say that dirty recruiting is cheating. If Drew isn't playing under the same rule book as everyone else, is that not cheating?

What you say really doesn't matter. There are no formal written NCAA rules I'm aware of that forbid a coach from talking bad about another program to recurit. If he's not breaking any formal written rules, then he's not cheating by NCAA standards. He might be violating some NCAA conduct code, but since he hasn't yet been reprimanded, apparently he isn't.

 

[BU2CWS]

I didn't know this thread was about KU at all; nice deflection. I also didn't know it was illegal to hire a player's dad.

Regardless, I would say that dirty recruiting is cheating. If Drew isn't playing under the same rule book as everyone else, is that not cheating?

Drew is playing under the same rule book as everyone else! That statement doesn't even make sense unless you think there is a cool and uncool rule book. And if dirty is cheating then I guess you will make sure everyone knows when ISU is going to run any trick plays in football this year.

And by the way, it is illegal to hire a player's dad.

 

[Clonefan32]

Drew is playing under the same rule book as everyone else! That statement doesn't even make sense unless you think there is a cool and uncool rule book. And if dirty is cheating then I guess you will make sure everyone knows when ISU is going to run any trick plays in football this year.

And by the way, it is illegal to hire a player's dad.

Enjoy your success, it is only a matter of time before Baylor is (back) on probation.

 

[thatguy]

KU and Baylor having a conversation about who is dirtier is like Lohan and Paris Hilton arguing who does more blow. Both are doing tons of it, does it really matter who does more?

 

[mikem]

Careful there is a list of coaches that cannot be deemed clean on this site. You will get ripped apart for saying that Baylor is a clean program.

You are so right. If Baylor is dirty, turn them in. These unfounded statements that seem to be made from nothing more than jealousy as we have become irrelevant are sad.

It would seem that a program that hammered like they were by the NCAA, and was forced to skip a non-conference season because of sanctions would probably be one that would draw suspicion if they all of a sudden had unprecedented success.

Instead all of the other schools whining. It is sad.

 

[mangum]

Great! This is why I hate when people talk about Baylor - more of their fans come out of the woodwork and will probably end up posting for months about irrelevant Baylor info no one here cares about. :mask:

Isn't it amazing how "irrelevant Baylor info no one here cares about" can generate a thread this long on CycloneFanatic.com?

 

[BU2CWS]

You guys are probably right. Everyone cheats, you just suck at it worst than most!

 

[Ace000087]

I mean seriously.. who cares about Baylor. No one here in Texas does either.

 

[Gopherfan63]

Yeah, right!! Barnes just had his *** handed to him by Baylor this past season so I am sure he doesn't care one bit!!!:biglaugh:

Loved seeing Baylor whip UT.

I mean seriously.. who cares about Baylor. No one here in Texas does either.