Another recruiting MISS

[cyismydog]

Did you also ask him how the present coach's .281 conference winning % was hurting recruiting? Or how all the recent transfers were hurting recruiting? Or how not making post season under the current coach was hurting recuriting? Or how WJ going to another school and becoming a star is hurting recruiting?

I never said it was the only factor, but it's definitely a factor. This guy actually went through the whole process, and had a couple of high major offers for his son. Was it the only factor in his ultimately choosing to go elsewhere? No. Would it affect a recruit that was wavering? Heck yeah.

 

[CloneIce]

This website is just another excuse for JP, his minions, and the people that are affiliated with McDermott to blame there mistake on. They keep looking for excuses and now have found one in a message board.
All I know is that eventually they will run out of excuses.

This is true. Just when I thought that they had ran out of excuses.... it is now Cyclone Fanatics fault that Mcdermott is whiffing on his key recruits this signing period!

Of course! I should have known it wasn't the responsibility of those in charge of the basketball program.

 

[chuckd4735]

The negativity, and general trashing of Cyclone Basketball by so-called "fans" is what hurts it.

Maybe, but its a microcosm compared to the other issues that are hurting ISU's recruiting.

 

[cyismydog]

Than it hurts every school. Every single time I have gone to another schools board, I always leave thinking that CF is not near as negative and bad.

If for one second you think that CF is the main reason we are not getting recruits, than youre off your rocker. It may play a small part, but the other issues within the program play a much greater part.

"Every other board" is not true in the least. Florida, Wisconsin, and several others are just a few I can think of off the top of my head whose boards I am on quite often. All boards have their negative nancies, but they don't spew the bile that is often on CF.

 

[BryceC]

I talked to a former recruit's dad yesterday...and he still looks at CF daily, although his son chose to go elsewhere, and he expressly stated that he believes CF hurts ISU recruiting.

I could see it although I think any effects are grossly overstated. Again, what is to be done? Should we have a mod team that silences any opposition? Should CF be disbanded? Because I'm sorry people are going to be complaining after the run we've been on.

And believe me when I say a lot of what gets said on here I think goes way too far.

 

[dbronco7sc]

Did you also ask him how the present coach's .281 conference winning % was hurting recruiting? Or how all the recent transfers were hurting recruiting? Or how not making post season under the current coach was hurting recuriting? Or how WJ going to another school and becoming a star is hurting recruiting?

So... you're in the boat that we should tank as horribly as possible just to get rid of Mac?

 

[cyismydog]

Maybe, but its a microcosm compared to the other issues that are hurting ISU's recruiting.

It would be a microcosm of, not a microcosm.

The internet plays a very large role in it. If you choose to be believe yourself, rather than the word of someone who has experienced it personally (Not me, but player's father) then go right ahead. :no:

 

[Clonefan32]

The negativity, and general trashing of Cyclone Basketball by so-called "fans" is what hurts it.

Do you honestly believe this? It is ridiculous for anyone to expect things to be all sunshine and happiness for a program as bad as we have been. Do recruits or recruits parents legitimately expect for everyone to be behind our coach?

It drives me crazy when anyone calls a person's "fanhood" into question because they don't support the coach. I watch the games, I cheer hard, and in the end of the day I don't like what I see on the court...someone tell me what is wrong with this scenario? If I worked for a company and my boss was driving the company into the ground, I would not be happy about it... I just don't get why some think we should stand by idlely and say "Yah Greg, you go get 'em!".

Please. I hate seeing people rip on players, and I think that has to go, but Greg is a grown man, doing a grown man's job, and failing at doing that job. He deserves any and all criticize he gets, and if recruits are really turned off from that criticism then that is bizzare. By that logic, they should only look to schools where a coach has a NC under his belt, or has been at the school for 20+ year. Other than that, a few bad years and any coach can be shown the door.

 

[CloneIce]

I never said it was the only factor, but it's definitely a factor. This guy actually went through the whole process, and had a couple of high major offers for his son. Was it the only factor in his ultimately choosing to go elsewhere? No. Would it affect a recruit that was wavering? Heck yeah.

This is yet another reason why a move should have been made after the season. Everyone is well aware that Gmac is a lame duck coach and has already lost the faith of every reasonable ISU fan.

But, JP painted himself into a corner with the asinine contract extensions and here we are.... on a downward spiral from 11th in the Big 12 is not a good position to be in.

 

[azn4cy]

Does anyone else find it ironic that the same posters who responded to the Hamilton "mistreated" talk by saying that Hamilton was too sensitive to criticism and his dad meddled are the same ones who are saying that CF negativity hurts recruiting?

 

[CloneIce]

"Every other board" is not true in the least. Florida, Wisconsin, and several others are just a few I can think of off the top of my head whose boards I am on quite often. All boards have their negative nancies, but they don't spew the bile that is often on CF.

They aren't cheering for the same product as we are... seriously that is the worst comparison I have ever seen. If we had won Back-to-Back National Titles in the past few years it would obviously be different here. If we were a power like Wisconsin it would be completely different around here.

I 100% guarantee you that if Wisconsin's AD had destroyed their MBB program in the past 5 years their board would look like ours, but probably even worse. Of course, their AD would have made a move by now so they wouldn't be in this mess.

 

[chuckd4735]

"Every other board" is not true in the least. Florida, Wisconsin, and several others are just a few I can think of off the top of my head whose boards I am on quite often. All boards have their negative nancies, but they don't spew the bile that is often on CF.

When all is well you wont see it. When anything remotely goes down in any program, bile leaks from message boards. KU's board went crazy after losing to UNI. OU's board was nuts after losing to Florida in the BCS title game 2 seasons ago. KSU's board went crazy after we beat them last season. Michigan's board has been going bile about both sports.

Take what has gone down in ISU's basketball program and have it happen to another program, the "bile" would be about 10x worse at just about any school message board than it is here right now on CF.

 

[Clonefan32]

That is because Florida and Wisconsin are NCAA tournament teams year in and year out...still supports my either/or theory.

Either succeed or you will have negativity.

 

[Clonefan32]

Just curious, those of you that think that this board has a negative impact on recruting, how do you think it changed someone like Oto's mindframe from before reading the site to after reading the site. Do you think he learned something new/saw something in a new light?

 

[jbhtexas]

So... you're in the boat that we should tank as horribly as possible just to get rid of Mac?

No I'm not in that boat, and there's no way any reasonable person would come to that conclusion reading what I posted.

 

[dbronco7sc]

CF is probably the quickest and easiest way to get info about ISU athletics. It also has the most volume of opinions.

Speaking with the coach... you're going to get exactly what you expect to get. You'll get some negative insight about our program from coaches recruiting against us probably... but where does the recruit confirm this stuff?

Does he go door to door in Ames asking for people's opinions? No.

Does he subscribe to the local newspaper? No.

Does he research on the Web? Yes.

CF is going to be at the top of the list of discussions involving his name as it relates to ISU... and the state of the program he is considering joining.

You have every right to beleive that what is said on here has little to no effect. But I bet if we made a poll. The number of us who feel that it does hurt ISU to have so many negative comments... I think it would surprise those on the other side of the fense.

 

[chuckd4735]

Does anyone else find it ironic that the same posters who responded to the Hamilton "mistreated" talk by saying that Hamilton was too sensitive to criticism and his dad meddled are the same ones who are saying that CF negativity hurts recruiting?

What is I love Greg McDermott and will do anything to defend him as a coach?

 

[azn4cy]

That is because Florida and Wisconsin are NCAA tournament teams year in and year out...still supports my either/or theory.

Either succeed or you will have negativity.

In related news. I bet Baylor's message board was FULL of positive vibes when one of their players murdered another, and the Bliss tried to pay him off. Because after all, CF is the only college message board that ever has anything bad to say.

uhhh..

 

[chuckd4735]

So... you're in the boat that we should tank as horribly as possible just to get rid of Mac?

 

[Iastfan112]

"Every other board" is not true in the least. Florida, Wisconsin, and several others are just a few I can think of off the top of my head whose boards I am on quite often. All boards have their negative nancies, but they don't spew the bile that is often on CF.

Shockingly enough I don't think people would be complaining as much if we had even close to the success of those 2 programs(6 NCCA's 2 NITs combined in theMcDermott era). If you want a more positive vibe its simple, win more or at least exceed expectations, as it is we did neither this past year.


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