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tazclone said:
  1. LSU is in the SEC and is LOADED
  2. How has their basketball team done
  3. Over the last 5 years. NCAA once and no other post season play. Better than us but not great and not sustained success.
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You don't have any idea about what you are talking about.

First of all, LSU as a university is almost identical to ISU in terms of it's alumni base...it is an ag and engineering school without many deep pocket type donors.

Secondly, their MBB team has been in the postseason 7 of the last 11 years...5 NCAAs (including a Sweet 16 and a Final Four) and 2 NITs. The canned a coach during the 07-08 season who had led them to postseason in 6 of the previous 8 seasons...including a Final Four just two years earlier.

Lastly over the past 5 years they have two postseasons...both NCAAs...a Final Four in 2006 and a second round in 2009 (they were the only team to seriously threaten to beat UNC on their way to the Championship).
 
cyclonenum1 said:
You don't have any idea about what you are talking about.

First of all, LSU as a university is almost identical to ISU in terms of it's alumni base...it is an ag and engineering school without many deep pocket type donors.

Secondly, their MBB team has been in the postseason 7 of the last 11 years...5 NCAAs (including a Sweet 16 and a Final Four) and 2 NITs. The canned a coach during the 07-08 season who had led them to postseason in 6 of the previous 8 seasons...including a Final Four just two years earlier.

Lastly over the past 5 years they have two postseasons...both NCAAs...a Final Four in 2006 and a second round in 2009 (they were the only team to seriously threaten to beat UNC on their way to the Championship).
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That move to fire Brady was confusing from an outside perspective. What was the reasoning there?
 
Ficklone02 said:
That move to fire Brady was confusing from an outside perspective. What was the reasoning there?
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Personally, I liked John.

I think he is a very solid coach and with Butch Pierre as his lead recruiter he was able to field some very good teams during his time at LSU.

The real problem John had was that he does not have a real 'likeable' personality and he had a tendency to turn everything into a battle where he often ended up burning bridges along the way. With that approach, you end up creating an environment where you have a lot of people waiting for you to stumble so they can hit you when you are down. The bottom line is that it was pretty much all of his own doing.

That being said, he plays the underdog role well and does some of his best coaching when he has teams of lesser talent. I think he will have Arkansas State in the NCAA Tournament before too much longer.

By the way, John is close friends with Floyd and Eustachy.
 
Ficklone02 said:
That move to fire Brady was confusing from an outside perspective. What was the reasoning there?
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Had an awful start to a season 2 years after they went to the national semifinals. LSU fans got too spoiled by their short term success and demanded too much.
 
azn4cy said:
Had an awful start to a season 2 years after they went to the national semifinals. LSU fans got too spoiled by their short term success and demanded too much.
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Not true at all.

First of all, I would not classify 'success' in the LSU MBB program as "short term"...in the last three decades they have won 6 Conference Titles and made the NCAAs 17 times with 6 Sweet 16s, 5 Elite 8s, and 3 Final Fours. Not to mention, they were the only college that had three alums on the NBA's list of the 50 Greatest Players of All Time...Bob Pettit, Pete Maravich, and Shaquille O'Neal.

Having said all of that, the blunt reality is the MBB is #3 on the sports depth chart at LSU after FB and Baseball for the vast majority of LSU fans at the present time.
 
cyclonenum1 said:
Not true at all.

First of all, I would not classify 'success' in the LSU MBB program as "short term"...in the last three decades they have won 6 Conference Titles and made the NCAAs 17 times with 6 Sweet 16s, 5 Elite 8s, and 3 Final Fours. Not to mention, they were the only college that had three alums on the NBA's list of the 50 Greatest Players of All Time...Bob Pettit, Pete Maravich, and Shaquille O'Neal.

Having said all of that, the blunt reality is the MBB is #3 on the sports depth chart at LSU after FB and Baseball for the vast majority of LSU fans at the present time.
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Perhaps I worded that wrong. What I meant was that they had some struggles between 1993 and 2000, and when Brady got them into the Final Four, a lot of fans expected that to be the norm, and freaked out when he has 1.5 subpar years.
 
cyclonenum1 said:
You don't have any idea about what you are talking about.

First of all, LSU as a university is almost identical to ISU in terms of it's alumni base...it is an ag and engineering school without many deep pocket type donors.

Secondly, their MBB team has been in the postseason 7 of the last 11 years...5 NCAAs (including a Sweet 16 and a Final Four) and 2 NITs. The canned a coach during the 07-08 season who had led them to postseason in 6 of the previous 8 seasons...including a Final Four just two years earlier.

Lastly over the past 5 years they have two postseasons...both NCAAs...a Final Four in 2006 and a second round in 2009 (they were the only team to seriously threaten to beat UNC on their way to the Championship).
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Last 10 years...4 NCAA's to our three. 2 NIT's to our 1 and a final four to our elite eight. They pay their coach industry average and middle of the road in the SEC. Less than half of what the top three in the conference get paid. Their coach who has made the post season 1 time in four years and followed a guy that made the post season 6 of 8. They fired a guy and did not go for a big name and did not throw money out there that they have to spend.

And you are absolutely kidding me if you are comparing LSU's $$$ to ours. They have the third largest budget in the SEC with $75.8 million. We are second to last in our conference with $46 million. They gave their University $5.7 million we take $3+ million. They are the only game in the state and their 92,400 seat stadium becomes the second largets city in the state on game day. Our stadium seast half and doesn't sell out after October 15th. They have an SEC tv contract. WE have a Big 12 contract. Talk about not knowing what you are talking about..... LSU has very, very deep pockets. They could buy out their coach tomorrow and go out and pay top dollar if they wanted to to get whoever they want. Much moreso than ISU.
$75.8 million> $46 million.
 
tazclone said:
Last 10 years...4 NCAA's to our three. 2 NIT's to our 1 and a final four to our elite eight. They pay their coach industry average and middle of the road in the SEC. Less than half of what the top three in the conference get paid. Their coach who has made the post season 1 time in four years and followed a guy that made the post season 6 of 8. They fired a guy and did not go for a big name and did not throw money out there that they have to spend.

And you are absolutely kidding me if you are comparing LSU's $$$ to ours. They have the third largest budget in the SEC with $75.8 million. We are second to last in our conference with $46 million. They gave their University $5.7 million we take $3+ million. They are the only game in the state and their 92,400 seat stadium becomes the second largets city in the state on game day. Our stadium seast half and doesn't sell out after October 15th. They have an SEC tv contract. WE have a Big 12 contract. Talk about not knowing what you are talking about..... LSU has very, very deep pockets. They could buy out their coach tomorrow and go out and pay top dollar if they wanted to to get whoever they want. Much moreso than ISU.
$75.8 million> $46 million.
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pwned!

Good job.
 
tazclone said:
Last 10 years...4 NCAA's to our three. 2 NIT's to our 1 and a final four to our elite eight. They pay their coach industry average and middle of the road in the SEC. Less than half of what the top three in the conference get paid. Their coach who has made the post season 1 time in four years and followed a guy that made the post season 6 of 8. They fired a guy and did not go for a big name and did not throw money out there that they have to spend.

And you are absolutely kidding me if you are comparing LSU's $$$ to ours. They have the third largest budget in the SEC with $75.8 million. We are second to last in our conference with $46 million. They gave their University $5.7 million we take $3+ million. They are the only game in the state and their 92,400 seat stadium becomes the second largets city in the state on game day. Our stadium seast half and doesn't sell out after October 15th. They have an SEC tv contract. WE have a Big 12 contract. Talk about not knowing what you are talking about..... LSU has very, very deep pockets. They could buy out their coach tomorrow and go out and pay top dollar if they wanted to to get whoever they want. Much moreso than ISU.
$75.8 million> $46 million.
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A big portion of LSU's money is the TV contracts, the fact their football program wins and everyone buys tickets, and gear, and the fact they go to BCS bowl games and get millions of dollars for just showing up there.
 
thatguy said:
If Auburn wouldn't have bailed us out of another horrible contract what kind of position money wise would we be in? I can't even imagine the argument the people that work for JP on here would say then.
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People are quick to jump on GC and what he didnt do for two years but NOBODY knows how he would have done this year. I think we did get lucky in getting PR but we dont know for certain he is the next coming and will lead us to titles etc.. He had a pretty good season last year in his first year as a head coach with a majority of GC players. The jury is still out on how good he could be but we will never know how good GC might have finished last year and I think he did okay at Auburn.
 
as far as LSU v ISU....
LSU has the SEC TV contract that, like the Big 10 and Pac 10, spreads the money out evenly and makes all the schools lots of money. That is the biggest difference between them. This is why Iowa has tons of money to fire coaches and we are stuck with ol McDermott
 
thatguy said:
as far as LSU v ISU....
LSU has the SEC TV contract that, like the Big 10 and Pac 10, spreads the money out evenly and makes all the schools lots of money. That is the biggest difference between them. This is why Iowa has tons of money to fire coaches and we are stuck with ol McDermott
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LSU has been good enough over the years, how much do they really benefit from the revenue being evenly split? Id wager that some years they might *lose* money vs if they got to keep all the $$ from their coverage.
 
tazclone said:
Last 10 years...4 NCAA's to our three. 2 NIT's to our 1 and a final four to our elite eight. They pay their coach industry average and middle of the road in the SEC. Less than half of what the top three in the conference get paid. Their coach who has made the post season 1 time in four years and followed a guy that made the post season 6 of 8. They fired a guy and did not go for a big name and did not throw money out there that they have to spend.

And you are absolutely kidding me if you are comparing LSU's $$$ to ours. They have the third largest budget in the SEC with $75.8 million. We are second to last in our conference with $46 million. They gave their University $5.7 million we take $3+ million. They are the only game in the state and their 92,400 seat stadium becomes the second largets city in the state on game day. Our stadium seast half and doesn't sell out after October 15th. They have an SEC tv contract. WE have a Big 12 contract. Talk about not knowing what you are talking about..... LSU has very, very deep pockets. They could buy out their coach tomorrow and go out and pay top dollar if they wanted to to get whoever they want. Much moreso than ISU.
$75.8 million> $46 million.
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Oh my God! Facts! You do not fit in here. :smile:
 
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