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Wayne Morgan to Iowa?

jdoggivjc said:
Why is it in your world such an injustice to want and expect BETTER than Wayne Morgan?

(and no, I don't consider McDermott better than Morgan)
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I expect better. Its clear at this point that our AD does not.

But forget Wayne Morgan and Greg Mcdermott. The point, I can't think of anything more ridiculous than a Cyclone fan putting down our last NCAA Tournament win, and our only one in 9 years.
 
CloneIce said:
Yes, people are whining about Wayne because he barely won an NCAA Tourney game (I thought it was 64-52 actually or something like that). Surreal considering where our program has gone since he was fired.
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Correct. I've always said Morgan deserved a 4th or 5th year, but yeah, I can understand wanting him gone if we continued to be a fringe NCAA/NIT team. If Mac would have worked out, this wouldn't be an issue, and it sure wouldn't turn into a "******* match" every time his name is brought up. Sad but true.
 
CloneIce said:
I expect better. Its clear at this point that our AD does not.

But forget Wayne Morgan and Greg Mcdermott. The point, I can't think of anything more ridiculous than a Cyclone fan putting down our last NCAA Tournament win, and our only one in 9 years.
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Do you know this? Is this fact? Did I miss this somewhere from Jamie?

I hate, absolutely hate when this is said. You are putting words in a mans mouth that have never been said.
 
Go2Guy said:
I'll answer it for you: Jamie made a huge mistake firing Wayne, and his entire staff / uprooting the families, basically without cause.

If Jamie thought there were any deficiencies on Wayne's part, he should have done the right thing any normal/ good boss would have done - outline the problem areas and give the man a chance to work it out in a reasonable time frame.

Everybody complains about BVD not giving LE a second chance, Jamie screwed the pooch by pulling the trigger way too soon on WM, then went into contract negotiations with GM from a poor platform that resulted in the current state of the program.
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Are you really throwing out "uprooting families"? This is a business, and these are the same families that uprooted themselves when they left their prior jobs for ISU. Stop comparing college coaching to your 9-5 job.
McD's lack of success suggests nothing about whether it was the right thing to do to fire Morgan. Did you honestly feel Morgan was going to take ISU MBB to where we want it to go?
Given McD's record, JP should feel some heat for that hiring/contract.
Again, your original post made little sense, seemed like someone desperate to turn anything into an attack on ISU athletics.
 
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bos said:
Do you know this? Is this fact? Did I miss this somewhere from Jamie?

I hate, absolutely hate when this is said. You are putting words in a mans mouth that have never been said.
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Sometimes actions speak louder than words!
 
I agree swarthmore and it irks me no end when people say that. Firing Wayne wasn't the problem. Hiring McD might have been a mistake but he will get some more time to prove himself. We don't know yet.
 
CloneIce said:
I expect better. Its clear at this point that our AD does not.

But forget Wayne Morgan and Greg Mcdermott. The point, I can't think of anything more ridiculous than a Cyclone fan putting down our last NCAA Tournament win, and our only one in 9 years.
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Because it's all this fanbase ever aspires to anymore - how great an NIT run was or how wonderful it was to be one of the last teams picked to participate in the NCAA Tournament.

Excuse me for attending ISU during the Floyd and Eustachy eras, both of whom were SIGNIFICANTLY better coaches than Morgan will ever be.

Excuse me if my expectations for this program are for seasons that resemble 1995-1997 and 1999-2001 as opposed to 2003-2006.

Excuse me if I'm under the opinion that ISU Basketball was beginning to die a slow death under the leadership of Morgan.

Excuse me if I don't pine for the Morgan era simply because my expectations for this program are much greater than what Morgan could ever offer this school.
 
UNIGuy4Cy said:
Sometimes actions speak louder than words!
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Gimme a break. He may have mistepped with the contract (im assuming that your base), but that doesnt mean he doesnt want whats best for ISU. He saw something obviously that made him think there would be change for the better.
 
bos said:
Do you know this? Is this fact? Did I miss this somewhere from Jamie?

I hate, absolutely hate when this is said. You are putting words in a mans mouth that have never been said.
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Not worried about what he says. What he does clearly indicates he does not expect the ISU MBB program to succeed at a higher level than it did with Wayne Morgan.

The fact is, after 4 years the coach he hired to replace WM has yet to equal the success of WM's worst season, when JP fired him. And he brought him back for a 5th year that certainly appears to be a rebuilding season.
 
The willingness for ISU fans to settle for mediocrity amazes me sometimes - and it astounds me further as to why the same ISU fans ***** and moan about how the national media never respects us.

Were Morgan's years better than McDermott's? Certainly - and I'm not arguing that. Although I define NIT appearances and bubble seeds as mediocrity, it certainly is better than what we have now. I just refuse to allow McDermott's failures here to warp my view that Morgan's 3 years here were anything but mediocre, especially when during Morgan's tenure we weren't so far removed from back-to-back 2-seeds (arguably deserving 1-seeds both years) and had come to EXPECT quality basketball.

Honestly, I think it's the pining for mediocre basketball that disturbs me most about the "Morgan was fired unjustly" circle...

So just out of curiousity, what are your expectations for ISU basketball if you consider a season in which we beat the #2 team in the nation on the road and won a game in the NCAA tournament to be mediocre?

Also, you seem to be conveniently forgetting that LE had the opportunity to sustain our success after the #2 seed seasons for two seasons afterward and failed miserably at that task. It's unfair to hold WM accountable for not sustaining that level of success when his first two seasons were much better then LE's last two seasons. And again, I am very curious to know what your expectations for ISU basketball are if you consider an NCAA at-large invitation and conference road wins to be mediocre.
 
CloneIce said:
Not worried about what he says. What he does clearly indicates he does not expect the ISU MBB program to succeed at a higher level than it did with Wayne Morgan.

The fact is, after 4 years the coach he hired to replace WM has yet to equal the success of WM's worst season, when JP fired him. And he brought him back for a 5th year that certainly appears to be a rebuilding season.
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I dont think he had a choice. People make comments about donors ponying up to get rid of McD. If you were a donor, would you be more inclined to donate to get rid of a coach or donate to hire a standout when the old coachs contract is through? Im guessing they are holding out for the latter. Jamie had faith in McD to turn the program around. As it stands right now, its not happening. Im guessing noone is more dissapointed in the results than a man whose rep and career depend on it.
 
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ISUChippewa said:
The willingness for ISU fans to settle for mediocrity amazes me sometimes - and it astounds me further as to why the same ISU fans ***** and moan about how the national media never respects us.

Were Morgan's years better than McDermott's? Certainly - and I'm not arguing that. Although I define NIT appearances and bubble seeds as mediocrity, it certainly is better than what we have now. I just refuse to allow McDermott's failures here to warp my view that Morgan's 3 years here were anything but mediocre, especially when during Morgan's tenure we weren't so far removed from back-to-back 2-seeds (arguably deserving 1-seeds both years) and had come to EXPECT quality basketball.

Honestly, I think it's the pining for mediocre basketball that disturbs me most about the "Morgan was fired unjustly" circle...

So just out of curiousity, what are your expectations for ISU basketball if you consider a season in which we beat the #2 team in the nation on the road and won a game in the NCAA tournament to be mediocre?

Also, you seem to be conveniently forgetting that LE had the opportunity to sustain our success after the #2 seed seasons for two seasons afterward and failed miserably at that task. It's unfair to hold WM accountable for not sustaining that level of success when his first two seasons were much better then LE's last two seasons. And again, I am very curious to know what your expectations for ISU basketball are if you consider an NCAA at-large invitation and conference road wins to be mediocre.
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Did I ever say I was happy with Eustachy's down years? Hardly. But they're a hell of a lot more tolerable when you're coming off of the two best seasons in ISU basketball history.

As for my expectations for ISU basketball, is having a program like Wisconsin's or Maryland's too much to ask? NCAA Tournament nearly every year, usually hovering around one of the top 24 seeds each of those years, usually makes a "magical run" in the tournament every so often. I mean, for the history and tradition that everyone on this site seems to claim that Johnny Orr has instilled into this program, is it too much to ask to bring in a coach that will develop the program to where we can expect such?

You now understand why I don't long for Morgan? He can't take us there.

And, for those that like to claim that ISU has this history and tradition that should be nationally recognized, you don't in one hand demand that kind of respect and then in the other hand pine for NIT appearances and bubble seeds.
 
bos said:
I dont think he had a choice. People make comments about donors ponying up to get rid of McD. If you were a donor, would you be more inclined to donate to get rid of a coach or donate to hire a standout when the old coachs contract is through? Im guessing they are holding out for the latter. Jamie had faith in McD to turn the program around. As it stands right now, its not happening. Im guessing noone is more dissapointed in the results than a man whose rep and career depend on it.
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I've heard a rumor that a donor offered to buy out GM's contract if we hired Gillespie as head coach. Now its just a message board rumor and of course I personally have no idea of the validity of it, but taken in context with the Gillespie rumors that originated outside of the ISU message board community, it certainly looks like it may have happened.

I have no doubts that JP is incredibly disappointed.... but he made the hire, and he signed off on the automatic exensions, this whole mess is his baby... you lie in the bed you make.
 
The rest of the college basketball world is changing. Moving. Not sure if for the better, but they're trying. We? Let's stick with good ol' integrity!
 
CloneIce said:
I've heard a rumor that a donor offered to buy out GM's contract if we hired Gillespie as head coach. Now its just a message board rumor and of course I personally have no idea of the validity of it, but taken in context with the Gillespie rumors that originated outside of the ISU message board community, it certainly looks like it may have happened.

I have no doubts that JP is incredibly disappointed.... but he made the hire, and he signed off on the automatic exensions, this whole mess is his baby... you lie in the bed you make.
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Noone is denying this. But to say hes happy with what we have become is stupid. thats the point Im trying to make.
 
bos said:
Noone is denying this. But to say hes happy with what we have become is stupid. thats the point Im trying to make.
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To whom are you trying to make this point to? Nobody has stated he is happy. To make up stuff and put words into others mouths is stupid.
 
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