Iowa vs Iowa State

QB-ISU The only thing I can hope for with AA this week is that he has better timing than last week. He seemed to throw behind the receivers quite a bit. Otherwise I think AA is a better all around athlete.
RB-ISU I agree
OL vs. DL-even I think Iowa DL will be the better of the two, but I think our DL will be able to hang with Iowa because of the injuries and Calloway not being in playing shape
Calloway is in playing shape. He was suspended one game but hasn't missed practice time. I think you are confusing him with Vandervelde who missed most practices and has just been cleared to play.

WR-ISU I look for Money to have a break out game. He just has to many weapons, passing, receiving and running
TE-Iowa Moiaki (sp) will have a good game if they have Jesse Smith covering him. He will have a decent game no matter who covers him.
Special teams-even both are good
I am not going to predict a out come. This is on paper so it shows a slight edge to ISU but anything can and will happen on the field and all of us will not have anything to do with it. It will be up to the Coaches which is even and the players to perform to their best abilities. Good Luck and I hope ISU pulls one out.
On paper it favors Iowa and that is why vegas odds favor them on the road. I personally think it should be even, but it is what it is. You are awfully generous to call the coaches even considering this is Rhoads' 2nd game in his career and KF has been a head coach for over a decade.

Should be an interesting game.
 
It came from this and it's called laughter. A reaction to something funny and/or idiotic.

QB Toss-up, both are good
RB Iowa, Hawks have a lot of depth
OL Iowa, too much talent on Iowa's Oline
WR Iowa, Hawks have loads of talent and depth
TE Iowa, enough said

Nothing wrong with the QB statement. As been said countless times, Iowa fans will take Stanzi and ISU fans will take Arnaud. Both are better for the type of system they play in. Not sure why this is so hard to understand.

As far as the RB, ISU will probably have the advantage, unless Wegher, Brinson or Robinson has a breakout game, then it could turn the tables. However, going into the game, I'll give the nod to ISU

OL: Not sure what your beef is here, with Iowa having their projected starting 5 in the lineup, I'd say it's a pretty solid line.

WR: As a few ISU fans have alluded to, Iowa quietly built some depth in this dept over the offseason, pleastantly surprising even Iowa fans. Iowa's starting WR's are both 6-4 200+, so both have great size to work with. They may not have the gamebreaking speed like Chaney, but they are both effective.

I'm guessing a lot of you didn't see only a handfull of snaps from DJK coming last week. He'll probably get more this week. Chaney is an absolute burner, if he gets behind the secondary and Stanzi lays it in, there's no catching him in full stride. Keenan Davis has obviously impressed the coaches as he isn't redshirting with all the depth in front of him.

TE: Moeaki will be more than a handfull for anyone to guard, not just ISU, so long as he stays healthy. Reisner is very capable as well.

In the end, all of what I said aside, I think the gap is much closer at WR than is perceived on here. The reason ISU's WR are getting a lot of hype is simply because of the system Herman runs. Just because he runs a wide open offense doesn't necessarily equate to better WRs. Just like RB. If Iowa has a RB that eventually has more yards at the end of the year, it doesn't necessarily mean they are a better RB, it's just the pro style offense that incorporates running much more than a spread.
 
On paper it favors Iowa and that is why vegas odds favor them on the road. I personally think it should be even, but it is what it is. You are awfully generous to call the coaches even considering this is Rhoads' 2nd game in his career and KF has been a head coach for over a decade.

Should be an interesting game.


Not sure if you know this, but Calloway is battling severe patella tendanitis... Its definately playable, but a pain in the ***...
 
Not sure if you know this, but Calloway is battling severe patella tendanitis... Its definately playable, but a pain in the ***...

And has also been cleared by the doctors. Everything I've read says that it's cleared up and he's good to go. Regardless, it'll be good to his 25 consecutive (until last week) starts back in the lineup, along with Vandervelde.
 
I think that WR is a lot closer than ISU fans would like to believe while TE is a lot closer than iowa fans would like to believe. The difference is, ISU uses their WRs more and iowa uses their TEs more. So in all likelihood, ISU's WRs will have a bigger impact on the game and iowa's TEs will have a bigger impact on the game than the ISU TEs.

One response to whoever gave the coaching category to iowa...I don't believe that at all. Iowa's reluctance to play nickel and blitz on D and their conventional, predictable offense allows ISU to stay in this game more often than not over the years. ISU's scheme lets them take advantage of iowa. So, I give the coaching category to ISU by a landslide.
 
I think that WR is a lot closer than ISU fans would like to believe while TE is a lot closer than iowa fans would like to believe. The difference is, ISU uses their WRs more and iowa uses their TEs more. So in all likelihood, ISU's WRs will have a bigger impact on the game and iowa's TEs will have a bigger impact on the game than the ISU TEs.

One response to whoever gave the coaching category to iowa...I don't believe that at all. Iowa's reluctance to play nickel and blitz on D and their conventional, predictable offense allows ISU to stay in this game more often than not over the years. ISU's scheme lets them take advantage of iowa. So, I give the coaching category to ISU by a landslide.

How exactly has ISU's scheme "taken advantage" of Iowa? ISU's offensive outputs in this game in the last several years haven't exactly been anything to right home about - regardless of the outcome.
 
I think that WR is a lot closer than ISU fans would like to believe while TE is a lot closer than iowa fans would like to believe. The difference is, ISU uses their WRs more and iowa uses their TEs more. So in all likelihood, ISU's WRs will have a bigger impact on the game and iowa's TEs will have a bigger impact on the game than the ISU TEs.

One response to whoever gave the coaching category to iowa...I don't believe that at all. Iowa's reluctance to play nickel and blitz on D and their conventional, predictable offense allows ISU to stay in this game more often than not over the years. ISU's scheme lets them take advantage of iowa. So, I give the coaching category to ISU by a landslide.

Agreed on #1, although I think the TE discrepancy is probably a bit bigger than the WR, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

#2: Why fix what isn't broken? As THH was alluding to, ISU hasn't scored a TD in the last 10 quarters against Iowa. True, they did win the game in 07 off field goals alone, but 9 out of 10 times that isn't going to get the job done. Iowa's D may be frustrating to watch from a fan standpoint, but it's highly effective in the sense that it keeps opponents out of the endzone.

The ONLY time I absolutely hate Iowa's D is in a situation similar to last week's where there's under 2 minutes left and all the opposing team needs is a field goal to win the game. That's when Norm has no choice but to switch it up and try to shut them down the whole length of the field. I'm not sure how much they work on that in practice, but they don't get a lot of game time in that, so they aren't as good at it as they are playing bend but don't break.
 
Good luck to you guys Saturday. So lets compare units.

QB Toss-up, both are good
RB Iowa, Hawks have a lot of depth
OL Iowa, too much talent on Iowa's Oline
WR Iowa, Hawks have loads of talent and depth
TE Iowa, enough said


DL Iowa, Iowa State gave up 200 plus yards rushing against the Bison
LB Iowa, Hawks once again stacked at LB
DB Toss-up lean Iowa. Cyclones gave up a lot of yards last year.


Special teams Iowa State

What are your thoughts?

There is not one Sqak that would start for us. You guys are so slow and weak it is pathetic. You guys looked like intramural level last weekend. Get ready for the embarrassment one more time.
 
I don't know too much about your team. From what I understand... passing game might be your strength. That said, I don't know it to be outstanding. Arnaud is a good QB...


About Iowa....

QB: Play was erratic last season at times. Level of play improved as the season went on. Has a nice touch on the deep ball -- can be very accurate. Has a knack for escaping pressure and has shown to perform well under pressure. (ISU game was probably his worst) Against UNI he came out and performed poorly in the first half... along with the rest of our team. However, was quite sharp in the second half.

We're looking for consistency from Stanzi -- he has shown to have most all the tools to get the job done. He's a talented guy. The thought is that we'll see him play much more consistency in his first full season as starter.

I do not feel Arnaud is a better talent. There may be a bit more unknown with Stanzi, however.

RB:
Iowa cannot have an advantage. Nobody proven. Simple as that. Paki isn't much of a dynamic runner..... Robinson has decent quicks but hasn't proven anything. Wegher and Brinson are supposedly quite talented, but haven't proven anything. Iowa might very well end the season with a solid back, but at this point, I can't claim to know we have one. I guess we'll find out.

I really don't know much about your RB situation.

WR:
With some health, a bit of veteran experience, and some off season breakthroughs, this position seems to at least be solid again. Best since Hinkel/Solomon era.... perhaps better, but we'll have to see. Trey Stross is finally healthy and provides a nice, athletic, veteran target. McNutt emerged in the spring as a big, sure handed, possession type receiver that can get open. DJK has been a solid performer his first two seasons... ending last season on especially strong performances vs PSU and Minn. The guy you'll want to watch for is Paul Chaney, however. A small waterbug type WR that is also a track standout. Word is that he finally has started looking more like a FB player than a track athlete that played football -- when our coaches speak out about a kid in practice, usually he's done some good things. Keenan Davis, a highly touted freshman with size and speed, looks to get some opportunities as well.

I think this group has the chance to at least be a mid level big ten group at WR. Last season we were lower tier. No claims that they're to be outstanding... but a bit more to offer than in previous years, it looks like.

I don't know a lot about your WRs, but can't imagine you could have a "big" advantage here.

TEs:
Moeaki, if he proves to be healthy, is probably a first day pick at TE. Great athlete for his position and will put up big numbers this season..... if healthy. Allen Reisner would be starting most years... coach said he considers him starter quality. Kid has very good athleticism for a TE... not a stiff, catches the ball really well. One of the better units out there, I'd think.

OL:
Deal is that interior played really poorly at times against UNI. Doering, Gettis, and Eubanks.... Gettis probably having the roughest time. Richardson and Bulaga were more solid on the outside. Deal is that Calloway -- a legit NFL prospect at RT -- will be back this week. Vandervelde, a starter last season, will be back as well, but might only play sparingly. Against UNI we had only 1 of 5 returners.... this week we'll be up to 3 of 5 available. This should be a really strong unit here eventually this season, but we've been hampered by injuries early. So it's just a matter of "when"...the way I look at it. (Bulaga, Calloway and Richardson are too talented not to make this line very solid) At the very least, Calloway ought to have a majorly positive impact this week.

DL:
Klug was a very disruptive force in the middle when he rotated in last season -- is a starter now. Binns on the outside was another guy that was a would-be starter. He is this season, and that has caused Ballard to slide down to DT. Clayborn is back at the other DE spot. Might have lost a little bit as run stoppers in the middle with King and Kroul gone... but should have the potential to be more disruptive in the pass game. A very solid unit.

LB:
All starters back. Very good unit in 08... more of the same expected in 09.

DBs:
You guys like to rip the Iowa pass defense, but they just didn't give up much. This was a very good pass defense in 08 and 3 of 4 return... including an all conference (possible AA) type in Spivey. Sash has a nose for the FB... and Greenwood, while no spectacular, won't cost you and is Johnny on the spot. The concern is the other corner spot. We're relying on a true soph and RS fr. Castillo was picked on a bit against UNI -- not a surprise with Spivey opposite him -- but didn't have any break downs, and was a sure tackler. This was good enough. Ought to be OK if the DL doesn't give you all day.


Again... don't know a lot about your defense. Know DL seems to be a concern. Couldn't be happy about your rush defense in game one.

Thoughts on the game:

Basically like this.... Iowa's defense isn't going to allow a high scoring game. A decent bet there. Iowa has a step up on ISU defensively, it would seem. Of course, you have to score points to win. The great downfall of Iowa in recent years in this matchup has been poor offensive performance. At times.... ISU has had a good defense. At times not. More often than not Iowa has started the season out slowly on offense.

This year?
Causes for concern and optimism. Obviously... poor start against UNI. OL and Stanzi performed poorly in first half. Good news -- they settled down in the second. Stanzi ought to be capable of playing some very good football here. Same with the OL, who gets back a few key players this week. These *should* be solid units for us this season. Will they be solid this Saturday? That's the big question.

I tend to think that our OL and QB play will be capable. Fine....

RB worries me more. Specifically.... RBs ability to read the holes that are provided, the cutback lanes... intelligent, purposeful running. I just hope someone can do that.

If the Iowa offense plays well.... could win by multiple scores. If not, close game, and who knows.

Of note... Iowa could actually benefit by the scare from UNI. Might help to bring unusual focus early in the season. If the Hawkeye squad was a bit full of themselves with their pre-season ranking, this is no more.
(flip to that is... they played really poorly against UNI... could be an ominous sign... though, based on our returning parts... I find it hard to shun optimism)
 
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]If the Iowa offense plays well.... could win by multiple scores. If not, close game, and who knows.

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Recent history Iowa offense in the CYhawk game.

2005 you scored 0 TDs

2006 Iowa goes NUTS against a 4-8 ISU team and scores 3 TDs.

2007 you scored 1 TD

2008 you scored 1 TD


Reasons I think this game will be close... simple as recent history.
2004 Iowa wins by 7
2005 ISU puts on a 20 pt beatdown
2006 ISU blows a 7 point lead half way through the 3rd quarter
2007 ISU wins by 2
2008 ISU misses 3 field goals and Iowa special teams turn it up to win a 12 point blowout
 
* Stanzi was much more accurate than Arnaud
* Stanzi would have had 45 more yards and another TD if his TD pass to Chaney would not have been called back.
* Including sacks into rushing yards is ridiculous. Plus, the QB running the football is not a part of Iowa's offense like it is for ISU.



it really isnt that close.. AA is better

just looking at last years stats..

AA
passing 247-401 for 2792yrds at 61% for 15tds 10ints
rushing 109 for 401yrds 5tds 0 fumbles


RS
passing 150-254 for 1956yrds 59% for 14tds 9ints
rushing 56 for 20yrds 0tds 0fum

you may say well sacks take away from rushing.. yes they do.. just think of how many more yards that would of been for AA
 
it really isnt that close.. AA is better

just looking at last years stats..

AA
passing 247-401 for 2792yrds at 61% for 15tds 10ints
rushing 109 for 401yrds 5tds 0 fumbles


RS
passing 150-254 for 1956yrds 59% for 14tds 9ints
rushing 56 for 20yrds 0tds 0fum

you may say well sacks take away from rushing.. yes they do.. just think of how many more yards that would of been for AA

61% to 59%
15tds-14tds
10 ints-9ints
7 Yd/A- 7.7 Yd/A

That's not close to you? It's fine to like AA, but Clone fans need to get a grip on the guys stats. He's a decent, durable qb that has potential, but he really hasn't proven anything with those stats (and record) last year. Same with Stanzi.

And for a previous poster, the Clones have won two in a row at JT.
 
Well it isn't like the ISU offense has been putting up ANYTHING against Iowa the last 2 years.

So I dont know how we should be pounding the chest of our offense quite yet.
 
There is not one Sqak that would start for us. You guys are so slow and weak it is pathetic. You guys looked like intramural level last weekend. Get ready for the embarrassment one more time.

...just when I thought I've seen it all...CyPride pulls through. I'm not sure whether to laugh at your joke or simply feel sorry for your pitiful existance, can someone help me out here?:wideeyed:

Well it isn't like the ISU offense has been putting up ANYTHING against Iowa the last 2 years.

So I dont know how we should be pounding the chest of our offense quite yet.

Ummmm DUH, Herman's offense is the best offense in college football!!!!!!!:jimlad:

I agree with you, but I think most ISU fans are too caught up with the "record setting offense" Herman put on the field at Rice. Nevermind the players haven't quite gotten it down pat, it's an unstoppable offense, that's good enough.
 
by far and away isu's offense is more dangerous than iowa's lazy big 10 offense. iowa seemed slow and slower offensively and defensively, while iowa state was running the heck out of ndsu. isu's offensive scheme looks like it could win us a lot of games. let's just hope that the defense can keep pace. but about the iowa-isu game, we're gonna run 'em ragged and they'll be panting off the field for some air.
 
it really isnt that close.. AA is better

just looking at last years stats....

Ok, let's do that. First of all, lets equate all of Stanzi's stats to Arnaud's 401 attempts, just do see what their stats would like if they threw an equal amount of passes. Fair enough?

Arnaud: 247/401, 61.6%, 2792 yards, 15 TD, 10 INT, 127.44 Efficiency

And then what Stanzi would have done had he thrown the ball 401 times....

Stanzi: 237/401, 59.1%, 3088 yards, 22 TD, 14 INT, 134.85 Efficiency

So what was that about how much better Arnaud's stats were than Stanzi's?
 

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