Maybe the poll is not worded perfectly. But the title says... Do you support JP. I think (and maybe I'm wrong) but most people who do not "Support JP" will assume the "I don't like" option is the same as "I don't support".
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Maybe the poll is not worded perfectly. But the title says... Do you support JP. I think (and maybe I'm wrong) but most people who do not "Support JP" will assume the "I don't like" option is the same as "I don't support".
Hay man, I was at the Mizzou game and I get that Bruce put us in a horrible place. I get it. I'm just sick and tired of losing and being the laughing stock of the Big 12. Down here with so many Nebraska, KU, MU and K-State fans it is impossible to have any pride in anything right now. That is what is wearing on me. Yes, if we succeed than it will be great, I just don't see that happening any time soon.
Hiring Chizik wasn't a stupid move. Hot shot coordinator at a BCS school that was highly touted. There isn't always a safe play. Most of the fan base was thrilled at the hire. You can't look back now and say, "Well, that was a dumb hire." Hindsight is always 20/20.
a.) I've lived outside of Iowa in 2 different states and never had a feeling of embarassment for being a Cyclone
b.) You are YOUNG. I'm pretty sure "in your lifetime" we will find our way to another bowl game and NCAA tournament. You are part of the "gotta have it now" generation and it reflects in the content of your posts.
c.) JP is busting his arse everyday for ISU. NO ONE is working harder to make us successful...PERIOD. Try spending some one on one time with him and I think your opinion will change drastically. You have NO IDEA what is going on behind the scenes and I can tell you it is significantly more than has ever happened in the past.
When he got hired I said it was a horrible hire. The guy is from the South, never been a HC, and was always given the best athletes. It was a horrible decision. No doubt about it. We needed a coach that had experience at a school like ours, i.e. Wester Michigan, than a coach from schools nothing like ours i.e. Texas, Auburn.
You can talk about how much you "know" but until it proves to be something and comes to fruition it won't matter. All these behind the scenes things don't amount to squat if we still are getting run out of the buildings during BBall and destroyed on the gridiron. But keep telling yourself it's OK.
Exactly, just because I don't like JP doesn't mean I want him fired. I like some of his descions while others I dislike. I am just a little soured right now due to the departure of our wrestling coach. Come fall, I am sure I will be high on JP with the new look of the stadium, basketball facility and a little time behind Cael's departure.
If we can't judge a hire made by an Athletic Director by the results said hire produced, we have entered a realm of stupidity that belongs in Iowa City, not Ames. And yes, there were plenty of people who were worried with the hire the minute Chizik said "Its hard to win at Texas too, its hard to win anywhere."
Yes, you can judge a hire by its results.
There is a reason that coach is at Western Michigan or a school of the same stature. Most of the time, those coaches don't have the same recruiting tools necessary to win at this level. It took McDermott 2-3 years to figure out this lesson the hard way, and it looks now like he's finally starting to fix the issue. Not all coaches want to move to a parallel job. Stay at Western Michigan and bowl game every year or two, or go to Iowa State and fight a tough, uphill battle to compete in the Big XII.
Just a question, was Paul Rhoads a bad hire? I mean, his most recent coaching job was down South, he's never been a head coach, and the athletes he had at Auburn are superior to the athletes he'll have here.
I don't know. Did the programs really take a nosedive after Pollard was hired, or were they already on their way down and JP just happened to be the man in place when they hit bottom? It's hard to say.
I've said before, I may not always understand some of the choices he's made, but, honestly, I don't have to. I'm not the AD, nor do I play one on TV. I do think he's done a good job with what he's had, which was basically nothing. It may not be easy, but I will always be a Cyclone and support our teams, whether we're 2-10 or 10-2 (obviously, the 10-2 would make me - and everyone else - a lot happier than 2-10). I agree with IcSyU, supporting our teams when we're down in the dredges will make it all the more sweeter when we do start winning.
And, I also think that having winning teams in WBB, VB, wrestling, T&F, etc... is something to be proud of. Sure, MBB and FB may be the money makers, but there are still how many other sports? They all deserve our support.
ETA: but I'm 30, so my opinion doesn't really count.
Well, it is a poorly worded poll for an intelligent discussion. I don't want JP to be fired, and I obviously support him cause I'm a Cyclone Fan.
I think he has done really good at some aspects of his job, much better than his predecessors. However I think he has done a pretty bad job at the most important part of his job, i.e. the success of our FB and basketball programs.
IIRC you must have missed much of the 1990s when Texas and Oklahoma were struggling before Mack Brown and Bob Stoops were hired respectively. Granted, schools like Texas and Oklahoma have inherent advantages that aid and promote success that schools like ISU don't have, but to imply that it's easy to win at a place like Texas is a flat out lie - or the 1990s wouldn't have occurred the way it did for them...
Would you please go back and read the thread from the Chizik hiring? Most of the posters on this site were very excited by the hire. On paper, it looked like a good hire. Guess what, the results sucked. McCarney was a HUGE fail hire in that case for the first few years he was hired. Year 6 was the first year McCarney even approached a winning record. He's regarded as one of the best football coaches we've ever had.
The poll could have been worded in Shakespearean English and it wouldn't change the nature of the posts. There is no way to have intelligent conversation about this topic. Too many message board Molotov's everytime a discussion surrounds the job performance of anyone at ISU.
Actually, it was year 5 (1999) that McCarney approached his first winning record. We finished 4-7 that year, but we had 4 losses by 7 points or less (K-State, Colorado, Texas, and at Kansas), including the infamous missed "Illegal block in the back" call on the punt return for a TD which changed the momentum of the game. Year 6 was the first winning record - and his best season by a lot - but I digress...
Do you think this might be because the only ISU fans left are the ones that are huge homers for the program? Perhaps our complete and total lack of results has contributed to this?
And maybe if the recruits saw a fan base that wants to win, they would be encouraged by this not see it as a deterant.
To me, the very definition of a fan is being a homer for the program.
I'm a HUGE Cyclone fan if we are 0-20 or 20-0. It's all I know.
:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh: Such homers a lot of people around here are predicting 4-6 wins in football.