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[CoKane]

A loss is a loss.

Let's compare ISU and WVU's losses today. We were beat in every aspect of the game today by an FCS school. West Virginia played way above anyone's expectations and played with the #2 team in the country. Who's players do you think went to the locker room feeling better post game today? Who's fans want to go to the next football game more? Who's coaches feel like they have something to build with for next week's game?

Spoiler

West Virgina's

 

[rochclone]

Remember that there are always those people out there that think we are "bad fans" because we are tired of getting embarrassed despite how much this fanbase has stuck by their team. I, for one, am sick of this and can't stand the fans who continue to accept being a bottom feeder.

I don't think you are "bad" fans but I do think that many of you like to act like 14 year old girl who just got dumped. And lets face it, most fans on this "free message board" aren't willing to donate anything toward a buy out. They would rather just ***** and moan.

 

[RubyClone]

When you give up 80 yard runs(which they did twice one was called back) the defense has nowhere to hide. 500 total yards. That's what they gave up. No one should be defending anything about this team including the defense.

I get the problems with the D. It's not a surprise, and CPR was very open about it preseseason. We lost our two safties and our best corner. We also lose two starting D linemen. Lose our starting safety who's raw as hell in his own right, and we're up against it all the more. Linebackers - can't argue with anyone on how disappointing that is. But still - not all that surprised with the D's perfomance.

I'm more ticked about the 14 part of the 34-14.

 

[CoKane]

I don't think you are "bad" fans but I do think that many of you like to act like 14 year old girl who just got dumped. And lets face it, most fans on this "free message board" aren't willing to donate anything toward a buy out. They would rather just ***** and moan.

I'll donate, although I think firing a coach after week 1 is ********.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

A loss is a loss.

No a loss to OK St is just a loss. Hell, losing to KU would be just a loss.
Losing to a team like NDSU, and UNI last year, means you can no longer view all other losses as the staff doing all that one can reasonably expect, but just could not overcome the talent deficiency that comes from some inherent disadvantages. It is time to realize CPR's tenure likely peaked in Year 1 because our coaches are not good.

 

[tjamz]

Check out Eastern Kentucky-KSU 2011. KSU tends to plays down to the opposition in the non-conference. Even then, it was a fluke win. I don't think anyone that watched your game with them last year thought you were the better team or that KSU had fundamental flaws.

On the other hand, this game today was eerily similar to the UNI game last season, except UNI looked like a better team. Today it looked like s bad team ***-whooping a horrible team. CPR must go.

Calling BS on the bolded. Well, partial BS at least. We were pretty equal out there honestly, but the final drive was the difference. NDSU was better conditioned (their guys were going out with cramping issues) and better disciplined. As a Bison fan I knew that once we converted our first 3rd down in that 8 minute drive that we were going to score and there wasn't a damn thing KSU could do to stop it. Bill Snyder himself said we outplayed them and they were out coached.

As for the bad team beating a horrible team, IDK what to say to that without sounding like a really arrogant jerk. Again, not my intention. What I saw was (after the 1st quarter adjustments) NDSU playing NDSU football.... with a few more passes than normal and a few things to improve on with the defense... but hey, we did lose 24 players from last year so I expected that. In all honesty I think they played 80 to 90% as well as I've seen them play in each of the past 3 championship runs (yes, I know it's D1 FCS.... but it's the division we play in so it's the highest accomplishment we can achieve.... including beating FBS opponents).

An NDSU team playing 80% as well as last year has us outscoring our opponents (on average) 31 to 14 (took 20% away from our offensive scoring and added 20% for our opponents scoring).

Now I get it, if we were an FBS Big 12 team you can throw all of that out the window on a week-to-week basis. Beating one FBS team a year is much harder than beating them every week. Not arguing that at all. But to call them a "bad team" comes off as a bit snobbish and delusional. I also sound snobbish when I say that I expect NDSU to be ABLE to beat any team on our schedule. Not that they will beat them all.... just that they will be able to play with everyone that is currently scheduled. I expect us to be prepared for Iowa when we play them as well (2016 I believe?)

 

[CoKane]

Calling BS on the bolded. Well, partial BS at least. We were pretty equal out there honestly, but the final drive was the difference. NDSU was better conditioned (their guys were going out with cramping issues) and better disciplined. As a Bison fan I knew that once we converted our first 3rd down in that 8 minute drive that we were going to score and there wasn't a damn thing KSU could do to stop it. Bill Snyder himself said we outplayed them and they were out coached.

As for the bad team beating a horrible team, IDK what to say to that without sounding like a really arrogant jerk. Again, not my intention. What I saw was (after the 1st quarter adjustments) NDSU playing NDSU football.... with a few more passes than normal and a few things to improve on with the defense... but hey, we did lose 24 players from last year so I expected that. In all honesty I think they played 80 to 90% as well as I've seen them play in each of the past 3 championship runs (yes, I know it's D1 FCS.... but it's the division we play in so it's the highest accomplishment we can achieve.... including beating FBS opponents).

An NDSU team playing 80% as well as last year has us outscoring our opponents (on average) 31 to 14 (took 20% away from our offensive scoring and added 20% for our opponents scoring).

Now I get it, if we were an FBS Big 12 team you can throw all of that out the window on a week-to-week basis. Beating one FBS team a year is much harder than beating them every week. Not arguing that at all. But to call them a "bad team" comes off as a bit snobbish and delusional. I also sound snobbish when I say that I expect NDSU to be ABLE to beat any team on our schedule. Not that they will beat them all.... just that they will be able to play with everyone that is currently scheduled. I expect us to be prepared for Iowa when we play them as well (2016 I believe?)

I'll apologize in advance if you have to watch the game on the Big 10 network(dont know where you live so idk if you get it or not). The announcers are some of the biggest homers ever.

As for your last paragraph, I dont exactly think its fair to call NDSU a bad team either. They probably would be a strong team in a conference like the C-USA or Mac this year.

 

[tjamz]

I'll apologize in advance if you have to watch the game on the Big 10 network(dont know where you live so idk if you get it or not). The announcers are some of the biggest homers ever.

As for your last paragraph, I dont exactly think its fair to call NDSU a bad team either. They probably would be a strong team in a conference like the C-USA or Mac this year.

I live in West Fargo. And yeah, I've seen plenty of B1G games and you're right about the announcers.

I agree with your last paragraph as well. I truly think NDSU could play regularly in the C-USA or MAC and be successful with our current (and recent) teams. My ego (warning tjamz is going to go homer here) says we'd be a middle of the pack Big 12 team with the added scholarships and the prestige of being able to recruit for a Big 12 conference vs an FCS conference (meaning we'd likely get higher rated recruits than we get now just by default of being a FBS team in a P5 conference). Again, that's my egotistical opinion and it's probably somewhat clouded.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Calling BS on the bolded. Well, partial BS at least. We were pretty equal out there honestly, but the final drive was the difference. NDSU was better conditioned (their guys were going out with cramping issues) and better disciplined. As a Bison fan I knew that once we converted our first 3rd down in that 8 minute drive that we were going to score and there wasn't a damn thing KSU could do to stop it. Bill Snyder himself said we outplayed them and they were out coached.

As for the bad team beating a horrible team, IDK what to say to that without sounding like a really arrogant jerk. Again, not my intention. What I saw was (after the 1st quarter adjustments) NDSU playing NDSU football.... with a few more passes than normal and a few things to improve on with the defense... but hey, we did lose 24 players from last year so I expected that. In all honesty I think they played 80 to 90% as well as I've seen them play in each of the past 3 championship runs (yes, I know it's D1 FCS.... but it's the division we play in so it's the highest accomplishment we can achieve.... including beating FBS opponents).

An NDSU team playing 80% as well as last year has us outscoring our opponents (on average) 31 to 14 (took 20% away from our offensive scoring and added 20% for our opponents scoring).

Now I get it, if we were an FBS Big 12 team you can throw all of that out the window on a week-to-week basis. Beating one FBS team a year is much harder than beating them every week. Not arguing that at all. But to call them a "bad team" comes off as a bit snobbish and delusional. I also sound snobbish when I say that I expect NDSU to be ABLE to beat any team on our schedule. Not that they will beat them all.... just that they will be able to play with everyone that is currently scheduled. I expect us to be prepared for Iowa when we play them as well (2016 I believe?)

KSU was clearly better, just like they were against EKU in 2011.

From what I saw today, I would not put this NDSU team above many UNI teams that have come in over the past 20 years. ISU was just that bad. You guys are gritty for sure, but in your best year you probably finish 2-7 in the Big 12. Of course, after a few years of that, you would be lucky to see any wins. Look at TCU, a program that was vastly better than NDSU could ever dream of, with more advantages.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

I'll apologize in advance if you have to watch the game on the Big 10 network(dont know where you live so idk if you get it or not). The announcers are some of the biggest homers ever.

As for your last paragraph, I dont exactly think its fair to call NDSU a bad team either. They probably would be a strong team in a conference like the C-USA or Mac this year.

Good MAC teams would roll NDSU. The bad ones? Well, they should be FCS programs anyways, and soon probably will be.

 

[cyowan]

Remember that there are always those people out there that think we are "bad fans" because we are tired of getting embarrassed despite how much this fanbase has stuck by their team. I, for one, am sick of this and can't stand the fans who continue to accept being a bottom feeder.

I second this. For years I've been telling friends/family/whoever will listen to stop being satisfied with beating Iowa, or Missouri, or Nebraska, or whoever. Hell, I wasn't satisfied with 6 wins. If we want to be taken seriously we need to put our (actual) money where our mouths are. Stop being okay with mediocrity. It doesn't make you a bad fan, it makes you the type of fan that young men will want to come and play hard for, because they know we won't accept anything but their very best. That starts at the top with the head coaching position.

 

[CoKane]

I live in West Fargo. And yeah, I've seen plenty of B1G games and you're right about the announcers.

I agree with your last paragraph as well. I truly think NDSU could play regularly in the C-USA or MAC and be successful with our current (and recent) teams. My ego (warning tjamz is going to go homer here) says we'd be a middle of the pack Big 12 team with the added scholarships and the prestige of being able to recruit for a Big 12 conference vs an FCS conference (meaning we'd likely get higher rated recruits than we get now just by default of being a FBS team in a P5 conference). Again, that's my egotistical opinion and it's probably somewhat clouded.

I'll give you a maybe there, because without the extra scholarships we don't really know what happens. I'd call NDSU a middle of the pack Big 10 team as they are now. (well, sorta). I really hate just about everything about the Big 10.

 

[tjamz]

KSU was clearly better, just like they were against EKU in 2011.

From what I saw today, I would not put this NDSU team above many UNI teams that have come in over the past 20 years. ISU was just that bad. You guys are gritty for sure, but in your best year you probably finish 2-7 in the Big 12. Of course, after a few years of that, you would be lucky to see any wins. Look at TCU, a program that was vastly better than NDSU could ever dream of, with more advantages.

You're really trying to bait me into being a homer fan, aren't you?

Drawing comparisons to UNI and TCU is fine and dandy. We were flat out called out by UNI when we moved up to D1AA (FCS) and told we'd never be able to carry our D2 successes to the next level. We'd never be the king of the MVFC much less FCS national champions.... it would take us many decades to even have a winning season at this level.

Well we managed (since going D1AA/FCS) to put up the following record since 2004 (according to my calculations anyway):

96 wins 29 losses
3 Conference Championships
3 National Championships
8 - 3 vs FBS schools

So you'll have to excuse me if I don't buy into the "You can't do it because <INSERT TEAM HERE> couldn't do it" argument. Because I'm not buying that with reference to UNI or TCU or ISU or any other school that couldn't do it. Instead I'll look at the Boise State example of a team that did move up and was successful. Yes, it is Mountain West but they have been successful there and I believe are being/have been courted by P5 conferences.

The better question is does NDSU have the resources to get into a P5 conference? The answer (at this time) is NO. I'll repeat that: We don't have the resources to do it at this time and be competitive. A lower FBS conference is doable though (MAC or MWC) but even that will require more resources on our end. I may have a grand vision of playing in FBS, but I also know the reality needed to do so successfully. I wouldn't want to move up without the tools in place to win regularly. I also know that there is a damn good chance NDSU gets beat at least once or twice this year in FCS. Maybe by UNI even. That is fine, but I highly doubt we get blown out by them.

 

[awd4cy]

The op of this thread is a ***** who doesn't give a **** about this program apparently.

 

[BryceC]

Somebody who made a McDermott comparison earlier was spot on. Now if we can just get creighton to start a football program and hire rhoads I'd be thrilled.

 

[Bret44]

If you have to play a bunch of young football players because of upperclassmen who got the boot due to behavioral issues, doesn't that also say something about a coaching staff?

 

[Thomasrickj]

Funny how pathetic it is that some fans are justifying yesterday's game by saying "NDSU is a lot better than we are giving them credit for". While this may be true, we are a Big 12 team and they are an FCS team. That's the easiest concept to grasp and some people are too stupid to see this and they accept getting blown out back-to-back years (the UNI game was a blowout until the end). Rhoads clearly isn't the guy and using the young excuse is just a cop out for people who accept being lousy. Stop backing up a coach that hasn't done a darn thing since beating Okie State! There is easily someone out there better than him and fans who don't think so are stupid. There are so many dumb fans here and people that accept being a bottom feeder. Guess some people don't want change...

 

[CyGuy5]

I'm immensely disturbed by this entire forum following the loss against a VERY good NDST program.

Yes, we got our butts kicked.
Yes, we all are ****** off.
Yes, the defense sucks.

BUT, please don't attack Paul Rhoads. Don't call for his job. The dude is freaking awesome for this university and will eventually strike gold. Besides, he's the best man for the job - PERIOD.

The offense sucked when Farniok went down. No doubt - much like last season.
Give ManGenius time to install his offense.

We have a football program that is historically one of the worst of all time. This has been and will continue to change during CPR's legacy. We lost to probably the greatest FCS school of all time. I'm sick of these armagedeon reactions from fair weather, insecure fans who can't stand by ISU for better or worse. You sound like Hok fans. And you make me sick.

Also, Chris Williams shall never be criticized for his post game comments. This dude is spot on.

Thank you! I was going to post something similar

 

[jdoggivjc]

Calling BS on the bolded. Well, partial BS at least. We were pretty equal out there honestly, but the final drive was the difference. NDSU was better conditioned (their guys were going out with cramping issues) and better disciplined. As a Bison fan I knew that once we converted our first 3rd down in that 8 minute drive that we were going to score and there wasn't a damn thing KSU could do to stop it. Bill Snyder himself said we outplayed them and they were out coached.

As for the bad team beating a horrible team, IDK what to say to that without sounding like a really arrogant jerk. Again, not my intention. What I saw was (after the 1st quarter adjustments) NDSU playing NDSU football.... with a few more passes than normal and a few things to improve on with the defense... but hey, we did lose 24 players from last year so I expected that. In all honesty I think they played 80 to 90% as well as I've seen them play in each of the past 3 championship runs (yes, I know it's D1 FCS.... but it's the division we play in so it's the highest accomplishment we can achieve.... including beating FBS opponents).

An NDSU team playing 80% as well as last year has us outscoring our opponents (on average) 31 to 14 (took 20% away from our offensive scoring and added 20% for our opponents scoring).

Now I get it, if we were an FBS Big 12 team you can throw all of that out the window on a week-to-week basis. Beating one FBS team a year is much harder than beating them every week. Not arguing that at all. But to call them a "bad team" comes off as a bit snobbish and delusional. I also sound snobbish when I say that I expect NDSU to be ABLE to beat any team on our schedule. Not that they will beat them all.... just that they will be able to play with everyone that is currently scheduled. I expect us to be prepared for Iowa when we play them as well (2016 I believe?)

The biggest problem with this team is the one you didn't mention - our team has absolutely NO mental toughness. When NDSU broke that 80 yard TD run I expected ISU to bounce back, maybe not immediately following, but within the next few possessions before halftime. What I did not expect was for the entire team to crumple like a piece of trash for NDSU to throw in the garbage can as they rolled through Jack Trice Stadium. I don't know why I expected ISU to recover from that - it has been years since ISU has been able to recover from a punch to the mouth. As the great philosopher Mike Tyson once said, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." ISU's plan was actually working great until NDSU punched them in the mouth - and they had no clue what to do next.

It's kind of funny that you mention NDSU was the better-conditioned team. Someone in the gameday thread yesterday that the coaching staff was overworking the players such that they were too beat down for gameday, as was verified by several players. WUT. How can you possibly say that the team is overworked when teams beat us down physically? Ok, an argument could be made for exhaustion, but that gets negated by our regular lack of fundamentals and discipline on the field. Personally I think we have a bunch of mentally weak, fragile players that don't like to work during practice and complain that what is a deficient strength and conditioning program compared to other schools is "too much".

Why do I say we have a bunch of mentally weak, fragile players? Because most teams don't give up after their opponent has one big play.

 

[tjamz]

Funny how pathetic it is that some fans are justifying yesterday's game by saying "NDSU is a lot better than we are giving them credit for". While this may be true, we are a Big 12 team and they are an FCS team. That's the easiest concept to grasp and some people are too stupid to see this and they accept getting blown out back-to-back years (the UNI game was a blowout until the end). Rhoads clearly isn't the guy and using the young excuse is just a cop out for people who accept being lousy. Stop backing up a coach that hasn't done a darn thing since beating Okie State! There is easily someone out there better than him and fans who don't think so are stupid. There are so many dumb fans here and people that accept being a bottom feeder. Guess some people don't want change...

Is it possible that NDSU is just the rare FCS team that is better than the division they play in.... and in all honesty UNI was the biggest challenge NDSU faced last year, including K-State. With K-State I felt we gave up a few big plays but physically outplayed their entire squad (something I've heard echoed from MANY K-state fans.... on the final drive they KNEW we were going to score and nothing could be done to stop it). With UNI they were physically beating us on the field last year, we were lucky to get away with a win there.

Personally, I hope ISU does well in the Big 12 this year. Maybe this will serve as Mangino & Rhoads wake up call this season. Maybe the players will realize that they need to take it more serious as the schedule is only going to get worse.