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kingcy

kingcy

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We are going to hear time and time again the next few weeks about how bad a job the ISU football job is. After reading the David Ubben story I just think some go overboard on saying that. Is North Texas really a better job than, ISU? When the guy that won at ISU got fired from that job, I doubt it.

This isn't the same program it was 20 years ago. The team isn't practicing in a parking lot anymore. They are not lifting weights in some closet. The coaches offices are not in some crummy building. The players don't have to meet with tutors in some table in the middle of campus. If they players want to get together and hang out they don't need to meet in some dorm commons area. The stadium doesn't look like it straight out of the 70s. All of those issues have been addressed.

The reason ISU hasn't been successful the last 30 isn't because of ISU, it is because ISU has had poor or average head coaches. Yes Mac and CPR did good things at ISU, but they were just good enough, I have so much respect for the 2 of them also. Sure some see ISU as a coaching grave yard, if you are a bad coach, like Walden or Criner. Chizik and Mac landed good jobs after ISU. So will CPR is he pleases.

Many times over the last 20 years I have watched ISU **** games away. Lose games they should have won. Compete with the middle of the conference on the field only to find a way to lose. IDK 40 maybe 50 games in that time. Hell there are 3,4,5 this year that ISU could have won if they would have made ONE play. Two things that would go a long ways to winning at ISU are get one or two stops on 3rd and long and get a first down on 3rd and short.

Sorry this got long, just need to rant a bit.
 
Great post. I think we will attract some great candidates. Hopefully JP can hire the right one.
 
It's probably one of the five worst jobs in the P5 conferences. it is undoubtedly better in terms of facilities and fan support than it was twenty years ago, but so are most other schools. The bottom line is Iowa Stte is unlikely to get a hot shot coordinator or a head coach that has torn it up at a mid-major school. You're going to have to find someone that is not on the radar of other P5 programs (similar to Fran at Iowa) and hope that he can recruit enough players.
 
There are "could have" win games that are really just close games or good games, even good and great teams have these. Then there are games where a more talented team comes back and beats ISU even though they gave a solid effort to be in control for most of the game (OK State). Then there are games where ISU significantly outplays the opponent, earns the victory, and tosses it to the other team late through bad decisions and execution (Toledo, KSU).

The second and third happen way too often with ISU football. Having two games like the third in one 3-9 or 4-8 season is a back breaker.
 
It's obviously better than it was 20 years ago.

It is still one of the worst Power 5 jobs in the country.
 
AltHawk said:
It's probably one of the five worst jobs in the P5 conferences. it is undoubtedly better in terms of facilities and fan support than it was twenty years ago, but so are most other schools. The bottom line is Iowa Stte is unlikely to get a hot shot coordinator or a head coach that has torn it up at a mid-major school. You're going to have to find someone that is not on the radar of other P5 programs (similar to Fran at Iowa) and hope that he can recruit enough players.
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It can't be that bad of a job if fans of 11-0 teams are hanging out here obsessed with our coaching search.

I know I won't be on KU's board if they hire another coach or Nebraska's when they can Riley...yet here you are in this thread. If it's such a horrible irrelevant job why are you here?
 
AltHawk said:
It's probably one of the five worst jobs in the P5 conferences. it is undoubtedly better in terms of facilities and fan support than it was twenty years ago, but so are most other schools. The bottom line is Iowa Stte is unlikely to get a hot shot coordinator or a head coach that has torn it up at a mid-major school. You're going to have to find someone that is not on the radar of other P5 programs (similar to Fran at Iowa) and hope that he can recruit enough players.
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Get lost go back to Hawkeye Nation and enjoy the Iowa season.
 
The things you list are all superficial things that, to ISU's credit, they've spent tons of money to clean up. What ISU cannot change is that it remains the most difficult place to recruit to in a Texas based conference. To overcome it, you need a coach with some serious ability to recruit players that otherwise would not consider ISU, a coach with the ability to get more out of the kids ISU can get to campus, or a coach who has schemes that neutralize this natural disadvantage.
 
kingcy said:
We are going to hear time and time again the next few weeks about how bad a job the ISU football job is. After reading the David Ubben story I just think some go overboard on saying that. Is North Texas really a better job than, ISU? When the guy that won at ISU got fired from that job, I doubt it.

This isn't the same program it was 20 years ago. The team isn't practicing in a parking lot anymore. They are not lifting weights in some closet. The coaches offices are not in some crummy building. The players don't have to meet with tutors in some table in the middle of campus. If they players want to get together and hang out they don't need to meet in some dorm commons area. The stadium doesn't look like it straight out of the 70s. All of those issues have been addressed.

The reason ISU hasn't been successful the last 30 isn't because of ISU, it is because ISU has had poor or average head coaches. Yes Mac and CPR did good things at ISU, but they were just good enough, I have so much respect for the 2 of them also. Sure some see ISU as a coaching grave yard, if you are a bad coach, like Walden or Criner. Chizik and Mac landed good jobs after ISU. So will CPR is he pleases.

Many times over the last 20 years I have watched ISU **** games away. Lose games they should have won. Compete with the middle of the conference on the field only to find a way to lose. IDK 40 maybe 50 games in that time. Hell there are 3,4,5 this year that ISU could have won if they would have made ONE play. Two things that would go a long ways to winning at ISU are get one or two stops on 3rd and long and get a first down on 3rd and short.

Sorry this got long, just need to rant a bit.
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I'm sorry, you cannot just discount the innate disadvantages that Iowa State has, though. Small state with another, better program in it. Very little tradition. Bad weather. Comparatively small revenue and budget. Those aren't nothing. Poor to average coaching certainly is part of the reason, but it's not the whole reason. We're not a hidden gem. We're not a power in waiting. We could get Vince Lombardi, himself, as our coach, and he'd still need some luck to have success here.
 
jsb said:
It's obviously better than it was 20 years ago.

It is still one of the worst Power 5 jobs in the country.
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Yes it isn't top 10 job, but it isn't as bad as some claim it is. With the right coach you can win at ISU.
 
I agree, I can't stand the people that say Iowa State will never be good. We can be! We just need the right HC. Jack Trice isn't easy to win at, we should be able to go undefeated at home or only drop a few games every so often. We have better facilities, we have some of the best fans in the nation.

i read an article from big 12 fanatics but I can't find it anymore that I wanted to post here. It went something along the lines of Iowa state can support a winning program, people just make up too many excuses that they can't but in truth Iowa State has better facilities, better fans, and a bigger stadiums than other schools that are good.

if Virginia tech, Oklahoma state, and K state could turn it around so can we.
(I know we don't have an oil tycoon, but Oklahoma state use to be a joke at one time)
we just need to get that one hire, I know we probably won't get a Bill Snyder or frank Beamer, but we should be able to get a coach that can go and win bowls even if it's his stepping stone.
 
Mr Janny said:
I'm sorry, you cannot just discount the innate disadvantages that Iowa State has, though. Small state with another, better program in it. Very little tradition. Bad weather. Comparatively small revenue and budget. Those aren't nothing. Poor to average coaching certainly is part of the reason, but it's not the whole reason. We're not a hidden gem. We're not a power in waiting. We could get Vince Lombardi, himself, as our coach, and he'd still need some luck to have success here.
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I am not saying ISU doesn't have it disadvantages. A good coach can put the quality of players ISU gets in a situation to win.
 
Great post, king. We now have way better facilities and stadium in place. We can win.
 
Iowa was talking about Firing Ferentz just a year ago...please give us your wisdom ahole hawk trolls.
 
kingcy said:
I am not saying ISU doesn't have it disadvantages. A good coach can put the quality of players ISU gets in a situation to win.
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Yes. The difficulty is that this coach is probably going to go to 50 other schools before he goes to Iowa State. There is a coach out there somewhere that is not going to be a hot commodity and that could turn Iowa State into a solid football program. I'm not sure who or where he is- that's up to Pollard to find him.
 
kingcy said:
We are going to hear time and time again the next few weeks about how bad a job the ISU football job is. After reading the David Ubben story I just think some go overboard on saying that. Is North Texas really a better job than, ISU? When the guy that won at ISU got fired from that job, I doubt it.

This isn't the same program it was 20 years ago. The team isn't practicing in a parking lot anymore. They are not lifting weights in some closet. The coaches offices are not in some crummy building. The players don't have to meet with tutors in some table in the middle of campus. If they players want to get together and hang out they don't need to meet in some dorm commons area. The stadium doesn't look like it straight out of the 70s. All of those issues have been addressed.

The reason ISU hasn't been successful the last 30 isn't because of ISU, it is because ISU has had poor or average head coaches. Yes Mac and CPR did good things at ISU, but they were just good enough, I have so much respect for the 2 of them also. Sure some see ISU as a coaching grave yard, if you are a bad coach, like Walden or Criner. Chizik and Mac landed good jobs after ISU. So will CPR is he pleases.

Many times over the last 20 years I have watched ISU **** games away. Lose games they should have won. Compete with the middle of the conference on the field only to find a way to lose. IDK 40 maybe 50 games in that time. Hell there are 3,4,5 this year that ISU could have won if they would have made ONE play. Two things that would go a long ways to winning at ISU are get one or two stops on 3rd and long and get a first down on 3rd and short.

Sorry this got long, just need to rant a bit.
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I think the talented young team in a power 5 conference with the most loyal fans in the nation will attract coaches. Let alone, its a win win. We really cant get much worse and if you make us worse then you can just use the excuse no one can win at isu
 
There are plenty of examples out there of mediocre programs being able to turn it around. If it weren't for second half collapses this season we would be looking at CPR's best year. A winning regular season slipped through our fingers.
 
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