WWJD-What Would Johnny Do?
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My advise to you: Don't believe everything you hear. This from 1 year ago.....
“I’d love to end my career here,” Hoiberg said in a phone interview with the Ames Tribune. “I’ve got something special in Ames. My kids get to see their grandparents every day if they want to, and that’s stuff you can’t replace. To look up in the crowd (during games) and there’s my parents, my in-laws, my brother, my sister-in-law, my other brother drives over from Omaha a lot, just to have that family support, you can’t replace that.
“I’m very happy here. My kids love it. I’d love to spend the rest of my career here.”
“Hopefully I’m here for a long time.”
Well if Johnny was "forced into retirement" like is being claimed then Hoiberg obviously knows that was done to his former coach. Because that sounds pretty ******.
So I say to Fred Hoiberg. Good job Fred. Do it to the Cyclones before they can stick it to you. Good luck in Chicago.
I'm not saying it's not crappy what was done to Orr, but unfortunately it happens especially with turnover in AD's. Dan McCarney "resigned" too. Do you think he was just itching to be defensive line coach at University of South Florida?
Dan's resignation was acknowledged by Pollard to be "in the best interests of the Iowa State Football program" going forward. Read Pollard's statement that he made and it was apparent that Dan was forced. Pollard said that in a perfect world it would not come to this, but that Dan knew he needed to "resign" for the good of the program.
I never heard any such thing when it came to Johnny Orr. And in April 1994 when it was announced, I was in shock. There was never any indication at all that it was forced at all. And Johnny made the statement that he made the choice to "retire" and then lobbied to have Jim Hallihan get the job.
Now if it was all cut and dried and Johnny was "forced into retirement" then WHY was Johnny thinking that Hallihan might be hired in his place?
This really isn't that hard. Coaches want to coach. Johnny had a contract extension for 2 years in 1992. If I had to guess I wouldn't put it past Johnny to have retired at that time after he saw his heavily laden senior team to the end. Johnny doesn't "hang it up" one year shy of that contract because he was tired of coaching. In addition, he was "put on staff" so that his salary was honored. That was the olive branch extended for asking him to step down and to try not to embarrass him.
I would also guess that Johnny was pushing for Hallihan to follow him if he were to step down early. Johnny probably was under the assumption that Hallihan was going to be a strong candidate, but in the end Gene picked differently. Coaching carasol is ruthless.
The reason it was such a shock to everyone that it wasn't in Johnny's plans. We can agree to disagree, doesn't matter to me but coaches don't stop coaching a year early to retire just BECAUSE.
Hey, but if he never coached at South Florida, this awesome avatar wouldn't exist.
Coaches want to coach? Johnny was offered the Baylor Head coaching job in 1994 after retiring from ISU....and said no thanks.
And it appears that Johnny was under contract through Hoiberg's season and would NOT have been fired if he insisted on filling out that contract. So it does not appear to be a case of "resign or be fired" like it was with DMAC. Pollard's press conference with DMAC announcing it made it was obvious that DMAC's resignation was forced.
Maybe Gene inferred that Hallihan might get the job if Johnny stepped down, and talked Johnny into retiring. I can possibly see that happening. But there is no way that Johnny was given the ultimatum of resign or be fired. I don't buy that for one minute. Cyclone Nation would have erupted if that would have taken place.
I clearly stated in an earlier post that perhaps "greatly persuaded" is more appropriate than "forced out", but it's just semantics at this point. Gene got what he wanted, Johnny left one year early before his contract ended but was still paid for that year. Johnny may have fallen on the sword, but there is no doubt in my mind it wasn't his idea to do so. So IMO, that's pushing someone out.
First I ever heard this. Johnny had one year left on his contract. And there is no way he was going to be fired. The only way he was "greatly persuaded" is if he was given the impression that his long time assistant Jim Hallihan would likely succeed him. If Gene and company used that kind of deceit and deception to get Johnny to retire then they should be ashamed.
At this point I find it pretty unbelievable. And have not really seen anything of concrete evidence to back up the claim. It sounds far more plausible that Johnny resigned at 67 because he thought his long time assistant might succeed him and he wanted to give that long time assistant a loaded team for his first year. And that is the way I saw his retirement and the way it unfolded. I actually seem to recall that ISU Officials were a little shocked at Johnny's retirement and I remember hearing some suggest that Johnny's April surprise announcement as one that might give Hallihan a greater chance at getting the job.
He could easily go coach the bulls, fulfilling his dream of coaching in the NBA, then return to ISU - "ending" his coaching career at his alma mater.
Johnny wouldn't have coached in the NBA. I can't remember the event I was at where Johnny(out of coaching for quite a few years) was there also but I can remember someone asking him if he ever wanted to coach NBA and his comments went along the lines of "There is no way I am going to coach players that are making more money than I am" only laced with quite a few words that wouldn't make filter approval on this site.
If Johnny was really going to be "forced out" it would have been after the 1991 season. I remember distinctly when Johnny retired. He seemed pretty upbeat and it was a surprise announcement and he put in a plug for his long time assistant Hallihan to replace him. So maybe there was talk that his contract would not be extended when the current one expired and Johnny chose to retire.
But I really do not believe that Johnny was given the ultimatum of "resign or be fired" when he had one year left on his contract. I do not buy that. Johnny would have likely let out a bunch of expletives and told the powers that be to go screw themselves.
Uh, he did - even during his last year at Cyclone Club functions as head coach. His x-rated tirades (after a few drinks) aimed at Gene Smith were common. I was there at one of them when a big booster from Webster City went up to the podium and said, "that's enough Johnny - sit down."
No, he will not ever stop in a thread where his personal super opinion is not treated like the stone tablets and the word of god. It's just that he is usually at it in football threads. Did I mention he is always right, about everything, ever.
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The tirades could have been a reaction over Hallihan not getting the Head Coaching job. I know Johnny was very unhappy about that. And maybe it was that Johnny was told he would not be given another contract extension. I just don't think that Johnny would have been fired at that point with one year left on his contract. That would have been a PR nightmare. So while I believe that there could have been pressure, I don't believe that Johnny would have been fired if he hadn't resigned.
Thanks for the info. It appears as though it's spot on. Looks like the shovel wasn't enough, he's gone for the excavator.