WVU Appears to be in Trouble

[StClone]

When we depend on the 'free market' and only value making money this is what happens. Humanity loses, I promise.

I learned to enjoy life through humanities, though it is easy to find that without college courses in writing, music, mythology, and maybe philosophy it does seem to have affected where I find peace.

From the article:

"...presuming to know which specialties of knowledge will be in high demand for decades to come. History shows that’s a fool’s game."

Since the humanities do not evolve much or rapidly through history, I found the quote as directed toward tech fields.

In a nutshell, the article has three main points:

1. UWV saw this coming enrollment trend (lower income), and as many schools have done, listened to marketing experts, and hired staff/paid more (the latter is a must to really keep top flight) resulting in more expenditures, especially in the face of inflation rates.

2. To address the shortfall anticipated cut programs many of which were humanities, some graduate, and some tech programs.

3. With that there will still be sizable deficits and no easy answer.

 

[CyDude16]

Im as practical and ROI driven as anyone, but I am also old enough (wise?) to understand that everyone also MUST have some understanding of history, literature, economics, et al. Otherwise they dont understand the human implications of decisions, and have no sense of values to make those decisions.

High schools used to do that - thats where i read the illiad, shakespeare, learned western history, even a little philosophy. Didnt get any of that at ISU. But now hs is dumbed down, and used as an indoctrination opportunity and battleground for BOTH sides in the culture wars. All to the detriment of the education of tomorrows society. And a democracy cannot survive with an uneducated populace.

I hope the revolution is enlightened, more like the American one and less like the Russian or French ones...

Both sides in culture wars, and indoctrination for both sides? Where?

 

[BooneCy]

Maybe the governor will allow state funds to be used for college students and ISU can start a private school branch. Makes about as much sense as giving tax payer money to schools without any over sight.

You may not have intended this to be funny, if not, I apologize. Knowing a little about how that law was made and lobbied for, I did find your recommendation very funny.

Clearly, the board of regents and government have no interest in “saving” the state schools or they wouldn’t be taking away their funding.

 

[KnappShack]

Well, ISU should be getting more funding than U of I, since more of our undergrads stay in state after graduation. I think it's a pretty high % too.

What's odd is I'm seeing 58% of UofI students are from the state while it's 54% for ISU?

That can't be right?

Also seeing about half of ISU and UofI grads leave while 84% of UNI grads stay in state.

No clue if this is correct, but a 50% retention would seem in line if almost half of the students aren't from Iowa

 

[Cfinnerty16]

What's odd is I'm seeing 58% of UofI students are from the state while it's 54% for ISU?

That can't be right?

Also seeing about half of ISU and UofI grads leave while 84% of UNI grads stay in state.

No clue if this is correct, but a 50% retention would seem in line if almost half of the students aren't from Iowa

That's so weird, because I thought ISU had the most graduates living in Iowa.

 

[KnappShack]

That's so weird, because I thought ISU had the most graduates living in Iowa.

This is where I saw the ISU numbers. Assuming this is correct

Enrollment Statistics | The Office of the Registrar | Iowa State University

www.registrar.iastate.edu

 

[swiacy]

I recently interviewed individuals for the Assessor position in our county in order to rank the top candidates for the position which would then be voted on by those in charge. We advertised locally and on the internet with 43 applicants. They were all good candidates and here’s what was surprising to me. One had a four year brick & mortar college degree in accounting and about 30 had taken financial courses from internet colleges. The other dozen had technical or junior college courses on their resumes. My point is that declining enrollment in traditional colleges and universities isn’t just less available students, there are other less expensive options available.

 

[isufbcurt]

ROI is pretty simple to figure......if graduates of certain disciplines are not getting hired, or at a low pay rate its not difficult to calculate. The idea of wanting all the warm and fuzzy well rounded college experience type non measurables is nice and all, but if you graduate with either a lot of money/debt and time invested and do not earn enough to justify it, its pretty clear to me its a bad ROI.

People go to universities for more than ROI, but when it comes down to it that has to be part of the equation.

How would a school know that information?

 

[Cfinnerty16]

"The brain drain is particularly prevalent in Iowa, as each of its neighboring states has a higher retention rate, according to the Washington Post. When comparing college graduates produced in a state versus college graduates living in the state, Iowa falls negative, sitting at -34.2%

This statistic took the percentage of college graduates produced in Iowa against the percentage of college graduates living in Iowa, meaning that Iowa is losing over 34% of the college graduates produced in the state."

Daily article, I wonder who the worst states are? We have to be up there. Most of my friends moved to either KC, MO, Minneapolis, MN, Denver, CO, or Chicago, IL

 

[CloniesForLife]

ROI is pretty simple to figure......if graduates of certain disciplines are not getting hired, or at a low pay rate its not difficult to calculate. The idea of wanting all the warm and fuzzy well rounded college experience type non measurables is nice and all, but if you graduate with either a lot of money/debt and time invested and do not earn enough to justify it, its pretty clear to me its a bad ROI.

People go to universities for more than ROI, but when it comes down to it that has to be part of the equation.

So is this just a yearly analysis that gets run and then those programs just get cut? That makes zero sense you can't just be cutting things like that. As the market ebbs and flows you would just be cutting and adding programs on the fly? A good college program needs stability to build on itself. You aren't going to attract any good professors in that system

 

[cowgirl836]

ROI is pretty simple to figure......if graduates of certain disciplines are not getting hired, or at a low pay rate its not difficult to calculate. The idea of wanting all the warm and fuzzy well rounded college experience type non measurables is nice and all, but if you graduate with either a lot of money/debt and time invested and do not earn enough to justify it, its pretty clear to me its a bad ROI.

People go to universities for more than ROI, but when it comes down to it that has to be part of the equation.

Measuring ROI based on current placement rates is just phenomenally stupid.

 

[isufbcurt]

I recently interviewed individuals for the Assessor position in our county in order to rank the top candidates for the position which would then be voted on by those in charge. We advertised locally and on the internet with 43 applicants. They were all good candidates and here’s what was surprising to me. One had a four year brick & mortar college degree in accounting and about 30 had taken financial courses from internet colleges. The other dozen had technical or junior college courses on their resumes. My point is that declining enrollment in traditional colleges and universities isn’t just less available students, there are other less expensive options available.

I know a girl who is now an "Accounting Solutions Expert" based on her social media. Seems she took some online course that told her she was an expert. I wouldn't trust this girl to be able to give me correct change from a cash register let alone be a "Accounting Solutions Expert"

I was going to start asking her basic accounting knowledge questions on her page to prove that she's a full of ****.

 

[cowgirl836]

I learned to enjoy life through humanities, though it is easy to find that without college courses in writing, music, mythology, and maybe philosophy it does seem to have affected where I find peace.

From the article:

"...presuming to know which specialties of knowledge will be in high demand for decades to come. History shows that’s a fool’s game."

Since the humanities do not evolve much or rapidly through history, I found the quote as directed toward tech fields.

In a nutshell, the article has three main points:

1. UWV saw this coming enrollment trend (lower income), and as many schools have done, listened to marketing experts, and hired staff/paid more (the latter is a must to really keep top flight) resulting in more expenditures, especially in the face of inflation rates.

2. To address the shortfall anticipated cut programs many of which were humanities, some graduate, and some tech programs.

3. With that there will still be sizable deficits and no easy answer.

Exactly my point to those playing the ROI card. Humanities will win that game because people who can think critically, understand human emotions, interactions, and motivations will always be in demand over who knows how to operate the hot software of 2023.

 

[cycloneG]

"The brain drain is particularly prevalent in Iowa, as each of its neighboring states has a higher retention rate, according to the Washington Post. When comparing college graduates produced in a state versus college graduates living in the state, Iowa falls negative, sitting at -34.2%

This statistic took the percentage of college graduates produced in Iowa against the percentage of college graduates living in Iowa, meaning that Iowa is losing over 34% of the college graduates produced in the state."

Daily article, I wonder who the worst states are? We have to be up there. Most of my friends moved to either KC, MO, Minneapolis, MN, Denver, CO, or Chicago, IL

Iowa’s ‘brain drain’ among worst in U.S., new analysis shows

The ratio of college graduates produced in Iowa, to those living in Iowa is worse than all six of the state’s border neighbors, the analysis shows.

www.thegazette.com

Iowa has the 10th-worst percentage difference in the nation between the number of college graduates it produces and the number of college graduates living in the state — a negative 34 percent

According to the Post’s analysis, the five states with the best ratio of college graduates produced to those living there are Colorado, New York, Washington, California and Illinois. The five states with the lowest ratio are Kansas, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, West Virginia and Vermont.

 

[Gonzo]

E. Gordon Gee, President - $800,900
Rob Alsop, VP for Strategic Initiatives - $426,000
Paula Congelio, VP and CFO - $431,000
Cris DeBord, VP for Talent & Culture - $344,800
Jennifer Fisher, Executive Officer - $171,900
David Fryson, Senior Advisor for Diversity Community Outreach - $384,500
Paul Kreider, VP for Academic Strategies, Curriculum & Assessment - $353,300
Sharon Martin, VP for University Relations & Enrollment Management - $408,500
Meshea Poore, VP for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion - $234,500
Maryanne Reed, Provost & VP Academic Affairs - $435,500
Cindi Roth, President and CEO WVU Foundation - $533,800
Robin Yorty, Exec Director of University Events - $141,300

This is just from some quick, cursory research, I'm sure there are more out there, but I think this makes the point.

 

[cowgirl836]

E. Gordon Gee, President - $800,900
Rob Alsop, VP for Strategic Initiatives - $426,000
Paula Congelio, VP and CFO - $431,000
Cris DeBord, VP for Talent & Culture - $344,800
Jennifer Fisher, Executive Officer - $171,900
David Fryson, Senior Advisor for Diversity Community Outreach - $384,500
Paul Kreider, VP for Academic Strategies, Curriculum & Assessment - $353,300
Sharon Martin, VP for University Relations & Enrollment Management - $408,500
Meshea Poore, VP for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion - $234,500
Maryanne Reed, Provost & VP Academic Affairs - $435,500
Cindi Roth, President and CEO WVU Foundation - $533,800
Robin Yorty, Exec Director of University Events - $141,300

This is just from some quick, cursory research, I'm sure there are more out there, but I think this makes the point.

Now go do state funding by year the past 25 yrs and adjust for inflation. These salary numbers are not the difference between having an LAS dept and not.

 

[KnappShack]

E. Gordon Gee, President - $800,900
Rob Alsop, VP for Strategic Initiatives - $426,000
Paula Congelio, VP and CFO - $431,000
Cris DeBord, VP for Talent & Culture - $344,800
Jennifer Fisher, Executive Officer - $171,900
David Fryson, Senior Advisor for Diversity Community Outreach - $384,500
Paul Kreider, VP for Academic Strategies, Curriculum & Assessment - $353,300
Sharon Martin, VP for University Relations & Enrollment Management - $408,500
Meshea Poore, VP for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion - $234,500
Maryanne Reed, Provost & VP Academic Affairs - $435,500
Cindi Roth, President and CEO WVU Foundation - $533,800
Robin Yorty, Exec Director of University Events - $141,300

This is just from some quick, cursory research, I'm sure there are more out there, but I think this makes the point.

The President salary seems like a bargain actually

 

[isufbcurt]

E. Gordon Gee, President - $800,900
Rob Alsop, VP for Strategic Initiatives - $426,000
Paula Congelio, VP and CFO - $431,000
Cris DeBord, VP for Talent & Culture - $344,800
Jennifer Fisher, Executive Officer - $171,900
David Fryson, Senior Advisor for Diversity Community Outreach - $384,500
Paul Kreider, VP for Academic Strategies, Curriculum & Assessment - $353,300
Sharon Martin, VP for University Relations & Enrollment Management - $408,500
Meshea Poore, VP for Diversity, Equity & Inclusion - $234,500
Maryanne Reed, Provost & VP Academic Affairs - $435,500
Cindi Roth, President and CEO WVU Foundation - $533,800
Robin Yorty, Exec Director of University Events - $141,300

This is just from some quick, cursory research, I'm sure there are more out there, but I think this makes the point.

What's your point?

How much do you think the President of a University should make?

 

[StClone]

Both sides in culture wars, and indoctrination for both sides? Where?

If you given a good interpretation of the world that's considered an indoctrination.

 

[TitanClone]

What's odd is I'm seeing 58% of UofI students are from the state while it's 54% for ISU?

That can't be right?

Also seeing about half of ISU and UofI grads leave while 84% of UNI grads stay in state.

No clue if this is correct, but a 50% retention would seem in line if almost half of the students aren't from Iowa

The UNI number isn't surprising when you think of UNI as the teacher school. I am surprised the Iowa number is higher than ISU but thinking of my friend group from Ames and 50ish percent is almost spot on for that small sample size. Minny, KC, Omaha, Denver, Chicago and even Austin. The rest are in Iowa still.