Where do we go at QB from here?

[Sorg4Cy]

I understand Park has some issues he's dealing with.

But I can't believe some people are actually calling for Kempt to be the outright starter for the rest of year when/if Park comes back.

If you can't see Parks talent then I feel bad for you, son.
We got 99 problems but Park ain't 1!

If Park doesn't come back, Manning will have to get very creative throughout the year, because teams will catch on to Kempt and will make him feel very uncomfortable.

Kempt played well, Manning called an even better game.

FIFY

 

[Stormin]

IMO, if you bench Kempt after the game he played Saturday and insert Park then you have created a controversy. You are telling guys that 100% effort and playing exceptional makes no difference. The last 2 samples we have are Park playing terribly against Texas. Park has talent but we can not make the mistakes he made against the Longhorns. Perhaps we can put Park's arm on Kempt's body or Kempt's head on Park's body.

 

[CyTwins]

IMO, if you bench Kempt after the game he played Saturday and insert Park then you have created a controversy. You are telling guys that 100% effort and playing exceptional makes no difference. The last 2 samples we have are Park playing terribly against Texas. Park has talent but we can not make the mistakes he made against the Longhorns. Perhaps we can put Park's arm on Kempt's body or Kempt's head on Park's body.

I have it on good authority that Campbell knows what is best for this team and will put them in the best situation to win

 

[heitclone]

Park's timeline will dictate, if he's back before Nov 1, he's the starter day 1. If he's not back until the middle of Nov and this team is in bowl contention, then its a bit more interesting.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Unanswered since posed by David Essex in 1973 during my winter of discontent.

And where do we go from here?
Which is the way that's clear?

Best thing to do is just rock on.

 

[heitclone]

No matter how many times I see it, I am amazed at how fast this site turns on our players especially QBs...I posted this in another thread in case you guys forgot how good park and this offense(enough with the K state thing) were doing.

Park going into the Texas game was averaging 311 yards per game at 66.6% completion and 4:1 td to int.

The kid had 1 bad game and we are ready to replace him with a guy who got all of his production on swing passes and jump balls. He did a great job letting his play makers make plays. I feel pretty good about where we are until park gets back.

As for asking for more Joel playing QB I do not like it unless we are 4th and short or on the goal line. That is too much to ask every week. He will get too worn down and he is too valuable on defense. The only way I would support more offensive snaps is if we have another LB step up that can fill in on defense. That amount of snaps is just too many for every week

Don't feel bad for Park, if he comes back and doesn't start, he'll be the most popular guy on this site. The only good thing about this "controversy" is that its Kempt and not Noland who played well. At least Kempt is gone after this year, the offseason would have been full of Noland vs Park debates.

 

[ZB4CY]

The reason why I would choose Kempt is that he played pretty damn well. He is 1-0 with his only game against #3 Oklahoma. The team played exceptional against Oklahoma. When you are riding a winning horse then you stick with it. Football is a TEAM sport.

It isn't about just physical talent that a person possesses. If it was, then Jay Cutler would be really successful. Ryan Leaf would be in the NFL Hall of Fame. The intangibles are important. That is what makes Joel Lanning so great wherever he plays. Linebacker is where he fits best though.

And Park hasn't every played pretty damn well?

He has 1 bad game, that could be on him or the play calling or the O-line. Texas has a great defense.

If riding a winning horse is what you want.. why wasn't anyone calling out Park after the Iowa loss?

 

[StLouisClone]

It's a really tough call. Park is more skilled, but Kyle seemed unflappable out there and doesn't make mistakes. I'm glad I'm not the one making the decision.

Is Park really more skilled? He has the better arm, but what about his accuracy and footwork? He rarely tucks it and runs. He often holds onto the ball too long. He throws the ball out of bounds on numerous 3rd downs even when he isn't under pressure. And he hasn't won any games in which the Cyclones were an underdog.

Let Park sit for the rest of this season (unless Kempt) fails. Park still has another year to win the job back.

 

[CyTwins]

Is Park really more skilled? He has the better arm, but what about his accuracy and footwork? He rarely tucks it and runs. He often holds onto the ball too long. He throws the ball out of bounds on numerous 3rd downs even when he isn't under pressure. And he hasn't won any games in which the Cyclones were an underdog.

Let Park sit for the rest of this season (unless Kempt) fails. Park still has another year to win the job back.

Yes, Park is the most talented QB we've had since Sage/Seneca

 

[ZB4CY]

Is Park really more skilled? He has the better arm, but what about his accuracy and footwork? He rarely tucks it and runs. He often holds onto the ball too long. He throws the ball out of bounds on numerous 3rd downs even when he isn't under pressure. And he hasn't won any games in which the Cyclones were an underdog.

Let Park sit for the rest of this season (unless Kempt) fails. Park still has another year to win the job back.

lol.

 

[StLouisClone]

Yes, Park is the most talented QB we've had since Sage/Seneca

That may be true, but i would say he is a distant 3rd. Park is way behind Sage in the intangibles area (decision making, poise and attitude). I dont know if those count as "talented" but they matter.

 

[Dandy]

Park will be back, I'm sure watching kempt perform well could be humbling

Watching the game and the celebration videos has to be uber depressing though. Hope that doesn't take him down the wrong path to more trouble.

 

[CyTwins]

That may be true, but i would say he is a distant 3rd. Park is way behind Sage in the intangibles area (decision making, poise and attitude). I dont know if those count as "talented" but they matter.

So he's the most talented QB we've had in the last 15 years or so to answer your question on his skill level

 

[ZB4CY]

So he's the most talented QB we've had in the last 15 years or so to answer your question on his skill level

BUT we better keep him on the bench for a 3rd string walk on.

I'm not taking anything away from Kempt. He did what a back up should do.

 

[Dandy]

Biggest difference between Kempt and Park is how long they hold on to the ball on passing plays. Kempt seemed to know where he needed to go with the ball as fast as he could. Park sometimes holds on to the ball for too long and the timing is thrown off.

 

[ZB4CY]

Biggest difference between Kempt and Park is how long they hold on to the ball on passing plays. Kempt seemed to know where he needed to go with the ball as fast as he could. Park sometimes holds on to the ball for too long and the timing is thrown off.

Manning was calling plays for Kempt to get the ball out quick.

We're obviously going to run deeper routes and routes that require a bit more time with Park.

 

[StLouisClone]

lol.

How would you rate Park's skills in all of these areas?

Arm strength (probably close to 10) -
Quick release -
Accuracy on short passes -
Accuracy on long passes -
Vision and decision making -
Foot speed and elusiveness -
Body strength and explosiveness -

As a QB, the first 5 would carry a higher weighting, but the last 2 are important too. Most QBs will run or scramble on at least 10 to 15 plays.

 

[jsb]

BUT we better keep him on the bench for a 3rd string walk on.

I'm not taking anything away from Kempt. He did what a back up should do.

I've been advocating for Kempt to start on Saturday for a couple of reasons, including that if someone was 'sick' enough to leave the team, they are probably not well enough in one week. But I understand people that think Jacob should start on Saturday and I fully expect that no matter who starts on Saturday, Jacob will be our starting quarterback in the last game of the season.

But I think you are underselling what Kempt did a bit by saying "He did would a backup should do." Jesus Christ, he didn't just manage the team to a win, he passed for over 300 yards and 3 TDs, he completed something like 18-24 passes, and he led the team to score on 5 straight drives to end the game. And he did it all against the #3 team in the country on the road. I know we are all pretending that Oklahoma is a garbage team not even worthy of taking the field against Akron now, but Oklahoma is a good team.

 

[ZB4CY]

How would you rate Park"s skills in all of these areas?

Arm strength (probably close to 10) -
Quick release -
Accuracy on short passes -
Accuracy on long passes -
Vision and decision making -
Foot speed and elusiveness -
Body strength and explosiveness -

As a QB, the first 5 would carry a higher weighting, but the last 2 are important too. Most QBs will run or scramble on at least 10 to 15 plays.

How would you rate Kempt in these?

All I'm trying to say is Park is a better QB than Kempt. Watch film on Park.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

How would you rate Park"s skills in all of these areas?

Arm strength (probably close to 10) -
Quick release -
Accuracy on short passes -
Accuracy on long passes -
Vision and decision making -
Foot speed and elusiveness -
Body strength and explosiveness -

As a QB, the first 5 would carry a higher weighting, but the last 2 are important too. Most QBs will run or scramble on at least 10 to 15 plays.

this isn't a madden game, you can't truly equate numbers to how skillful people are. There is a reason Park is the starter. He had one bad game and now some people act like he deserves the bench. Park has proved he is one of the best QBs in the big 12 when he is on. Do people forget the fade routes park can throw to Lazard. That is an NFL throw!

Kyle gets a lot of credit for his game vs OU. He played amazing and I think he gets the start on Saturday. I don't know when Park comes back but if he comes back and is back to his baseline he gets the start.