For those who know KenPom, how is our non-con SoS ranked 345 of 358? We've played #23 Iowa, #25 Xavier, #31 Memphis, #46 Creighton.
What will ISU be ranked?
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Adhering strictly to KenPom's rank (not supporting or refuting it, I don't care), this probably explains the low SOS, despite the top-50s:
149 Oregon State
247 Jackson State
268 Kennesaw State
312 Southeastern Louisiana
332 Grambling State
337 Alabama State
354 Chicago State
356 UAPB
Even then, just by looking at those numbers.......you would have to throw out everyone except the bottom 5 to achieve #345 in the country. Now I admit not knowing exactly how KenPom does what they do....don't get into all the the analytic BS....but maybe some of comes from the schedule strength of opponents as well? For example Iowa. Outside of Purdue, Illinois and ISU......who have they played? Virginia would be the next and they blow. I don't know. But obviously someone else doesn't read/believe this stuff because of the #9 ranking. I'll live with that and 12-0 instead of all this other stuff.
Non-conference strength of schedule (NCSOS): KenPom attempts to paint a picture here of the portion of the schedule that a team’s athletic department can control, which obviously rewards a team that schedules tougher opponents as opposed to cupcakes in non-conference play. The AdjEm metric here (the final column of the spreadsheet) measures the point differential by which your opponents would defeat the average Division I school by.
Again, this doesn’t take into consideration the caliber of teams. Most non-conference schedules for Power 5 schools are fairly light with some bigger matchups. This is more a measure of how bad the worst teams you play are. They really should rename this part of it the cupcake metric.
From a random Rutgers site of all places. The main point is that really low teams are going to move your average more than good teams. As an example Xavier is +18.82 while Arkansas Pine Bluff is -25.83.
First, it’s not going to be the average of the teams you play. If you played the worst possible 11 game schedule (348-358) you would have the worst schedule, but the average of the team you play would be #353.
Second, this is another problem I have with KP and CBB SOS metrics. It’s like when people used to complain about gaming the RPI. Swap out those 240-360 type teams with a bunch at around 200, and it makes a huge difference in noncon SOS, but probably doesn’t impact outcomes at all. Those teams are still bad and should be wins. There should be diminishing impact on SOS over a certain point.
But big 12 SOS is going to be NUTS. Plus KP will still factor in last year for another couple weeks.
I'd bet we drop all the way to like 18 or so, knowing AP voters.
As long as we stay in teens, I'm good. And think that would be fair. Within punching range of top 10, but next couple are key
Only loss is by 5 pts to the #1 team in the country? I don’t think we should drop at all, or maybe just a spot or two at most.
Not sure - KenPom will probably go way up due to SoS, close game, and even less of last years historic year influencing the current KP rating.
Those with ISU unranked or really low are just using KP.
Very much so, and AP voters writing about ISU not getting their vote use “# best team” interchangeably with KP overall team rankings.Wait, KenProm is still a thing?
What you think doesn't matter to idiot pollsters. We will see how smart they are.
Totally agree with that. If our SOS was an issue though, we never should have been ranked as high as we were…. that’s on them.
I think we probably drop out of the top 10 but still stay in top 15. Four of our next 5 games are against ranked teams so need to come through that stretch strong else we could drop in the rankings fast.
I would put us at 11 and Auburn up to 8. Leave Arizona and Michigan St at 9 and 10. Leave us above Houston.
Iowa is #22 #23? and ISU is #42?
Ken Pom doesn't seem to know what he is talking about.
Or she. Kenny Pom or Kendra Pom? Sounds like Jerry Palm or Harry Palm or whatever.
Iowa is not 20 spots better than Iowa State. WTF is this ranking about anyway? Pacing? WTF?
Ken Pom doesn't seem to know what he is talking about.
Or she. Kenny Pom or Kendra Pom? Sounds like Jerry Palm or Harry Palm or whatever. Iowa is not 20 spots better than Iowa State. WTF is this ranking about anyway? Pacing? WTF?