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peter.bieber

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I have decided to coin a new term today. The term I have coined is "Welfare Team". A 'Welfare Team' is an athletic team from a major university, that is part of a major Division I FBS athletic conference, and one that is the beneficiary of a massive television contract that shares millions of dollars with their member schools. Some of these schools have competitive and solid athletic teams and produce winning and championship teams year after year. The Welfare Team is a program that maybe has a good year every so often but is otherwise known as a perennial cellar dweller to possibly a middle-of-the-pack competitor. In the Big Ten, an example of this team would probably be the Indiana Hoosier football team. In the Pac-Twelve it could be California or Colorado. SEC? Probably Kentucky. Unfortunately, in the Big XII, I have to admit that Iowa State is a Welfare Team. It is nice bringing in millions of dollars every year from the conference but the fact-to-the-matter is that our football program isn't getting any better. I realize the team is young, especially the defense. But we never seem to get to the point where we reload instead of rebuild. I love Iowa State with all my heart. And I love Coach Paul Rhoads. I just wish I knew what it would take for ISU to be a contender year in and year out. Ames, Iowa is a great place and I'd sure as hell rather live there than in Boise, Idaho (although I admit the scenery is cool). But Fargo, North Dakota? Seriously? The only thing Fargo reminds me of is to not stand too close to a wood chipper! Seriously, though. I'm sick of always waiting for next year and having to downplay my expectations from 'hoping-for-a-contender' to 'just-hoping-we-don't-suck-too-bad'. I'm ready for a winner, dammit!!! I hate winter and I don't want to always have to look forward to basketball season every year!!!!!

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Both KU and UK have athletic budgets that are about (or over) 50% larger than ours. UK was ranked #19 and KU #23 in overall budgets, so these schools bring a lot to the table because of their basketball dominance.

Oregon State, Wazzou, ISU, Purdue, Mississippi State would be some of the welfare teams off the top of my head.
 
acgclone said:
Both KU and UK have athletic budgets that are about (or over) 50% larger than ours. UK was ranked #19 and KU #23 in overall budgets, so these schools bring a lot to the table because of their basketball dominance.

Oregon State, Wazzou, ISU, Purdue, Mississippi State would be some of the welfare teams off the top of my head.
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Sadly we're the odd man out in this group. I believe Wazzou, Purdue, and Oregon State have all been to BCS bowls at some point and Mississippi State has been solid under Dan Mullen
 
Oh, for the days of Dan McCarney! I'm not even sure a coaching change will make a difference. I think that coaches look at ISU as a coaching black hole. At least we were respectable under Mac. Guess I'm just still too bummed about the loss. I gotta think that if the Big XII ever does completely implode, then Iowa State will have a helluva hard time finding a new home in another BCS conference. MAC possibly but even that is iffy. Iowa sure as hell wouldn't want us in the B1G and would fight even the suggestion. We'll just keep raking in the Big XII money, improving our facilities but none of it will lead to more wins on the field. And that is sad.
 
peter.bieber said:
Oh, for the days of Dan McCarney! I'm not even sure a coaching change will make a difference. I think that coaches look at ISU as a coaching black hole. At least we were respectable under Mac. Guess I'm just still too bummed about the loss. I gotta think that if the Big XII ever does completely implode, then Iowa State will have a helluva hard time finding a new home in another BCS conference. MAC possibly but even that is iffy. Iowa sure as hell wouldn't want us in the B1G and would fight even the suggestion. We'll just keep raking in the Big XII money, improving our facilities but none of it will lead to more wins on the field. And that is sad.
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Rhoads would have +1-2 more wins per year if he coached during the Mac years.

North Sucked
1 more cupcake game
Baylor, OSU, A&M were not that good in the south.
 
peter.bieber said:
Oh, for the days of Dan McCarney! I'm not even sure a coaching change will make a difference. I think that coaches look at ISU as a coaching black hole. At least we were respectable under Mac. Guess I'm just still too bummed about the loss. I gotta think that if the Big XII ever does completely implode, then Iowa State will have a helluva hard time finding a new home in another BCS conference. MAC possibly but even that is iffy. Iowa sure as hell wouldn't want us in the B1G and would fight even the suggestion. We'll just keep raking in the Big XII money, improving our facilities but none of it will lead to more wins on the field. And that is sad.
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We were not respected in the days under McCarney. I can't think of one upset under Mac.
 
I would ask Cyclone Nation Why is it good we "rake in money"??????Who does it enrich? ARe we still paying Marty Fine's severance?? We were never "respected" under McCarney, btw. If tv announcers have to constantly talk about how respected you are.....you are not. At least we don't get a hosed by the disrespecting ref's as we used to. Mac just took it from them to be 'classy".
Here is where we are at: We all like CPR. He had a window of opportunity. it didn't happen. He could have cleaned house after the Liberty Bowl, but instead of worrying about ISU, he worried about his fellow coaches parachutes. Yesterday's game is about all you will see this year, next, whenever until we move on.
 
I think everyone needs to calm down. It's one game, and yes it's very bad to lose to an FCS team. Either way you have 10 more games to play. You can't lay down. That's what losers do. If everyone really wants to change the atmosphere around here and win, then you need to stop moping around and complaining, and become pro-active. The players need us, and if we fold after one loss, then we are no better than all the things we are saying about our beloved university. I know you're tired of losing, I am as well. But if you can't over come some hardships in life, then you're gonna take it in the junk not matter where you look. This is the time when champions are made. Through adversity.
 
It's our role to be a Big12 pinata for Texas and OU on the their quests for NCs. Every conference has them. I get that. I would just like to not be embarrassed routinely and go to some bowl games. I'm a realist when it comes to this. We're up against major obstacles in FBS football to being a power. That said, I honestly thought Rhoads was a guy who could get us to .500 consistently and then steal a big game here and there. I really did. I believed the hype that he was different and could build us a decent program. He just has no credibility left. The guy who called Rhoads "out of gas" took all that damn grief for being RIGHT. Some of us owe that guy and apology.
 
Muzzy said:
We were not respected in the days under McCarney. I can't think of one upset under Mac.
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At this point, CPR is not going anywhere. The rest of B12 teams have now chalked us up to chop liver. Losing to the oil field workers is not good.
 
Muzzy said:
We were not respected in the days under McCarney. I can't think of one upset under Mac.
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It's a matter of opinion, but CPR is a fraction of the coach Mac is.

Mac: Iowa and Wisky @ multiple bowls and rose bowls, had us very competitive after turning the corner(yes a few blips), helps get SFla to the brink of a NT game, wins NT on the Fla staff, turns around NTSU.

CPR: good speeches and one killer upset?

I know Mac has the baggage of his alma mater, but seriously, how can one objectively defend CPR in this comparison
 
NDSU is not a cupcake team. In the past 3 seasons they have finished no lower than #37 in the Sagarin rating so it's reasonable to think they are better than half of the FBS teams.
 
hammerhead said:
NDSU is not a cupcake team. In the past 3 seasons they have finished no lower than #37 in the Sagarin rating so it's reasonable to think they are better than half of the FBS teams.
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They were a cupcake the first quarter.
 
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