Wayne Morgan to Iowa?

[Tornado man]

I'll say it again...an AD's guy will ALWAYS get a longer leash than the previous AD's guy.

Not quite true.
Wake Forest AD Ron Wellman just fired "his guy," Dino Gaudio after only three years, with a 61-31 record and seasons of 17-13, 24-7, and 20-11. They beat Texas this year in the NCAA's and were ranked #1 in the country in Jan. '09.
Don't think that's a very long leash...
Wellman "inherited" bb coach Dave Odom, who lasted nine more years until he left for a better job at South Carolina.

 

[bos]

Wait, so as quite a few of you like to bring up, Pollard said that mens basketball will be the marquee program. Well in that argument you are saying that Pollard had high expectations for the program but in a second argument you are saying that his expectations are lower. You cant have it both ways. Saying a program is marquee is saying that you have high exectations. So far they havent panned out, but they are still high nonetheless.

 

[CYlent Bob]

I think the best way to put it is that Jamie Pollard put high expectations on Wayne Morgan, a coach that JP's predecessor hired. Now that we've got G Mac, JP's handpicked successor to Wayne coaching at ISU, our expectations have clearly been reduced to two nebulous concepts.

"Integrity" and occasionally having a ranked team take us lightly so that we can narrowly defeat them.

I don't dislike G Mac. I wanted him to succeed, but so far he's been a failure by ANY objective standard. If you stripped the names of the coaches from the records and compared Morgan (the guy who was fired for failure to get the program on track) and G Mac (the guy who got a multi-year extension because of his perfect record in the NCAA tournament), it would be VERY hard to look at the numbers and justify keeping one guy and getting rid of the other one.

Back to the original purpose of this thread: I wish Wayne well in any of his future endeavors. If those endeavors take him to Iowa....well, that sucks....but its not as if he quit on us to take a job with the evil empire.

 

[tazclone]

I am making personal assumptions based on what I have seen out of both programs, is that ok? I never said my assumptions were empirical fact, just inferences based on what I've seen... As of now, I think that Iowa is headed in a much better direction that us, and now Wayne apparently is a part of that. As of now, I also think our program is headed into further dispair. My opinion, and yes, they are based on assumptions, inferences, and predictions.

Sorry but you have seen NOTHING out of Iowa. Their coach has yet to hold a practice let alone coach a game. All you know is they made a coaching change.
You even *** U ME that Wayne is part of the program. Based that Jon Miller is sayign he heard it is proof enough for me that Wayne Morgan will not be on Iowa's staff. Miller has never been right on any coaching hires.

 

[BryceC]

If he still has connections and isnt shut out of his key areas it would be a nice hire for Iowa. Didnt Iowas new coach say he was going to do it the right way? There are still questions about things Morgan did at ISU and if they were on the up and up.

There are?

 

[azn4cy]

I think the best way to put it is that Jamie Pollard put high expectations on Wayne Morgan, a coach that JP's predecessor hired. Now that we've got G Mac, JP's handpicked successor to Wayne coaching at ISU, our expectations have clearly been reduced to two nebulous concepts.

"Integrity" and occasionally having a ranked team take us lightly so that we can narrowly defeat them.

I don't dislike G Mac. I wanted him to succeed, but so far he's been a failure by ANY objective standard. If you stripped the names of the coaches from the records and compared Morgan (the guy who was fired for failure to get the program on track) and G Mac (the guy who got a multi-year extension because of his perfect record in the NCAA tournament), it would be VERY hard to look at the numbers and justify keeping one guy and getting rid of the other one.

Back to the original purpose of this thread: I wish Wayne well in any of his future endeavors. If those endeavors take him to Iowa....well, that sucks....but its not as if he quit on us to take a job with the evil empire.

Bingo... I don't understand how this turned into another evaluation of Morgan vs. McDermott. Based on pure record, clearly Morgan has it, and I don't think even the staunchest GM supporters will disagree. I still will argue it's unfair that Morgan wasn't given another year or two, but Pollard did what he did, and he's intent on bringing Mac back for another season. I do think the standards have been lowered, but it's not our call. Turning every single thread about anything ISU BB related into this argument does us no good.

If this move happens, let's just be happy for Wayne that he got another chance somewhere in D1 basketball, doing the job (recruiting) that he is best at, without the Xs and Os that supposedly doomed him.

I wish Carl Winslow all the best of luck in the future, even if he goes to the basketball program with the worst marketing campaign in the world.

 

[Rural]

My guess is that Wayne failed more at behind the scenes type things (practice, backslapping boosters, etc). For the most part, I thought his in-game coaching was OK.
The biggest urban-legend-myth going is that McDermott is an X and O savant.

 

[BigBake]

This is all a moot point after next season when we fail to make the tourney again. JP will pull the trigger. Many more factors affect a firing than what y'all like to think.

- Money.
- Who's available.
- JP's personal feeling on what the program will do next year.
- Trigger happy firing AD reputation
- Money
- Who's available
- Feelings of recruits and current players
- Donor's laying down six figures to dept and what they think

 

[RhoadsRage]

This is all a moot point after next season when we fail to make the tourney again. JP will pull the trigger. Many more factors affect a firing than what y'all like to think.

- Money.
- Who's available.
- JP's personal feeling on what the program will do next year.
- Trigger happy firing AD reputation
- Money
- Who's available
- Feelings of recruits and current players
- Donor's laying down six figures to dept and what they think

I'll believe it when I see it......until then, I'll just figure that this is the forgotten program and follow the women and wrestling during that time of the year.

 

[DieHard]

Ok........if you think this is a forgotten program, then why not quit posting about it???

 

[RhoadsRage]

Ok........if you think this is a forgotten program, then why not quit posting about it???

Did you not read post #138??? I love this program......just think JP has his priorities mixed up right now. We're headed south in a hurry and if we stand pat, it will be harder to climb out of that hole.

 

[DieHard]

yep....read #138 and then #140. shows me just how supportive you are to the MBB.

 

[RhoadsRage]

yep....read #138 and then #140. shows me just how supportive you are to the MBB.

Just being honest, not trying to dog Gmac but obviously there is a problem there no???? Am I wrong to point out that hardly any of our players stay here for 4 years???

 

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In his last year at ISU, I watched Morgan berate some high school kids who had the temerity to charge him admission to an all star tournament. The same kids had collected admission from Bob Knight and Lon Kruger without argument...but Morgan was seething. I was about to go over and introduce myself when I heard him yell, "Do you know who I am?!" The kids did not, and I decided I didn't want to either. His reputation among H.S. and AAU coaches at that tourney has not been forgotten. I don't wish anything bad for Wayne Morgan, but UI can have him.

 

[CYKOFAN]

We've heard all kinds of things about Wayne Morgan, some turning out to be not true and others probably exaggerated. I've talked to him and he was a very nice man. I do know that winning seasons, post season wins, and highest winning percentage of any ISU coach in history against ranked teams sure beats no winning seasons, no post season appearances, and lowest winning percentage against ranked teams in ISU history. That says it all.

 

[Spam]

In his last year at ISU, I watched Morgan berate some high school kids who had the temerity to charge him admission to an all star tournament. The same kids had collected admission from Bob Knight and Lon Kruger without argument...but Morgan was seething. I was about to go over and introduce myself when I heard him yell, "Do you know who I am?!" The kids did not, and I decided I didn't want to either. His reputation among H.S. and AAU coaches at that tourney has not been forgotten. I don't wish anything bad for Wayne Morgan, but UI can have him.

No Integrity, baby! Thank god we have Greg!