Wayne Morgan to Iowa?
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I think Iowa is going after the "Johnny Orr" effect. Although they didn't get the big name coach they did get an up tempo style that Wayne Morgan would positively affect and could be really entertaining to hawk fans greatly helping their attendance numbers...which they need. McD better look out. Iowa has a LOT less tolerance for mediocrity than ISU has.
I think you misunderstood me. I meant if Wayne does end up in Iowa City, they will have a proven head coach who runs disciplined programs in McCaffrey combined with Morgan's recruiting, to parallel the LE-WM combo some people would like to see us bring back to ISU
And no, it can't get any worse than it is now
You also think that because Morgan had more wins in his first 3 years than McD that JP now has lower expectations for ISU MBB?
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No animosity toward Wayne from here. If he decides to get back in the game, I'll root for him and hope that he is successful. We can now look back at Wayne's full body of work both from an objective point of view as well as with the benefit of hind sight. The conclusion can only be that he was let go too soon(especially when compared to our current situation).
I do. Pollard certainly "expects less" from Gmac for him to keep his job, than he did from Morgan. That much is pretty obvious to anyone. For whatever reason, Pollard has set a lower bar for Gmac to keep his job than he did for Morgan.
all you geniuses that like to point out Pollard's double standard seem to never mention the obvious which is Pollard didn't hire Morgan...he hired McD. For better or worse, an AD's "guys" always get a longer leash than their predecessors. To me, comparing the two is an interesting statistical exercise but is illogical since Morgan wasn't Pollards hire so he had no investment in his success. Whether Morgan should of or shouldn't have been fired and whether McD should have or shouldn't be fired are two separate arguments but comparing the reasons Morgan got fired to why McD didn't makes no sense because the ONLY reason is Pollard only hired one of them and he is still our AD.
Gonna have to paraphrase in here a bit, can't remember JP's exact wording. But, he fired Morgan at the time citing that he expected more from ISU's "flagship" program. Morgan may not have been Pollard's hire, but JP is still tied to Wayne now because he fired him and replaced him with someone who is sinking said ship at a rapid rate. IF that was the reason he fired Morgan, shouldn't he expect more from "his" guy??? Just sayin...
I'll say it again. REGARDLESS of why he fired Morgan, an AD's guy will ALWAYS get a longer leash than the previous AD's guy.
Morgan was not fired for his record, but the direction of the program, in particular the APR issue that would have cost us scholarships and the scheduling issues. There was likely more to the story than any of us will ever know, in particular I would bet that the relationship between Morgan and others within the university (Pollard and Geoffroy) was not good.
In my opinion the Big 12 has gotten better than it was under Morgan, making it even more difficult to compete. When Morgan was coach Baylor stunk (now they are an elite 8 team and recruiting McDonalds AA), KState was bad, and for the most part every team, excluding us and Nebraska (including KU and Texas) have improved since then. I do agree that GMac needs to improve, but I think the fact that he is running a clean program and is not afraid to discipline his players when they need it (Taylor and Pomlee for example) helps him maintain his job.
In my opinion the Big 12 has gotten better than it was under Morgan, making it even more difficult to compete. When Morgan was coach Baylor stunk (now they are an elite 8 team and recruiting McDonalds AA), KState was bad, and for the most part every team, excluding us and Nebraska (including KU and Texas) have improved since then. I do agree that GMac needs to improve, but I think the fact that he is running a clean program and is not afraid to discipline his players when they need it (Taylor and Pomlee for example) helps him maintain his job.
So just curious then.......what's the difference in losing scholies due to APR issues and losing several players EVERY year to transfers???
I agree, so, uh, because Gmac is Pollard's guy, JP "expects" less from Gmac for him keep his job.
Which is what I said, I think...
Mac players are transfeing and stay in good standing with the NCAA. When Mac took over that wasnt the case, we did lose 2 scholies Mac's first year. Just a guess but players under Morgan must not have been graduating and those that left, left school all togehter.
My point is, how are either one of those things helping Iowa State University?? I could care less about those players once they decide to leave. I want this team to succeed but losing players to tranfer is not helping that cause.
Ok, by "they" do you mean ISU?? Because I don't see alot of players sticking around for 3 years, let alone 4.