I expect better. Its clear at this point that our AD does not.
Please tell me you are messing with me.
Wayne Morgan to Iowa?
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I expect better. Its clear at this point that our AD does not.
Please tell me you are messing with me.
Stinson - half credit goes to Larry
Blalock - third of the credit goes to Larry
Clark - great, great athlete. Good Cyclone. Wish he couldn have developed a handle, but I won't nitpick too much on this guy. We miss him in a Cyclone uniform.
Hubalek - didn't blossom at all until Greg molded him
Taggart - I maintain that he wasn't all that athletic. Solid player on LOADED team. All of his weaknesses that got exposed at ISU were completely covered up at Memphis. Great, great fit/situation for him.
Degand - nothing overly impressive about his career at NC State
Farnold Degand Stats, News, Photos - North Carolina State Wolfpack - ESPN
Carr - solid athlete and solid all-around guard. Wish he would have stayed.
Davis - Ok athlete, didn't do anything all that impressive here during his time as a Cyclone.
With the exception of Rashon; Brackins, Mike T, Wes Johnson, Marquis Gilstrap (and IMO Dendy and Colvin) are better "athletes" than any of the above.
I have and will continue to b!tch about Greg and his tenure. It hasn't been good at all, and I'm almost to the "no hope" point. But spare me this crap that we were THAT much better off with Wayne. I'm NOT saying Greg McDermott was/is the answer to Cyclone Basketball, but I sure as hell know Wayne Morgan wasn't.
Curt is one of my all-time favorite Clones, but he definitely didn't have the same spirit when things started to go south his junior year...
Wayne Morgan was a poor head coach and needed to be let go.
Greg McDermott is worse and needs to be let go.
This is the reality of the situation.
Greg McDermott is worse and needs to be let go.
This is the reality of the situation.
Please tell me you are messing with me.
JP's expectations for our basketball program clearly are not better than the Wayne Morgan years (maybe his hopes and dreams are, but not his expectations). The coach he replaced WM with has yet to equal WM's worst season in 4 years! And JP brought him back for a 5th season fully knowing that Year 5 is likely to be another rebuilding year. He gave him a vote of confidence based on "integrity" and nothing he said was any way related to the (lack of) success of our BB program.
If JP expects better performance that the WM years, he has a very strange way of showing it. He is sticking by the current coach who can't even duplicate the success of WM's worst season! How in the world does that equate to having expectations of greater success than the Morgan years?
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Does it matter to you that all of JP's actions and lack therof clearly indicates he is wrong? Probably not.
Yeah, I don't get it. The thing is that Pollard continues to defend McDermott, who is clearly worse than Morgan, while he fired Morgan for not meeting expectations. I totally agree that Morgan failed to meet expectations, but I think what gets people so upset is that McDermott is such an utterly abysmal failure, and yet is rewarded for it. It's not "fair" I suppose.
Still, none of this changes the fact that Morgan was not a good head coach, and it was a good call to let him go.
Does it matter to you that all of your comments and logic (or lack thereof) clearly indicates you cannot successfully construct an argument or understand simple economics. Probably not.
I really wanted to avoid ad hominem, but at certain times it is valid.
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Ad hominem and lame personal attacks is all you have, because the facts support my position.
Facts matter. The expectations for our basketball program have clearly been lowered. The expectations have regressed from "flagship program" to "Coach Mcdermott has integrity."
Please construct an argument based on facts and present a position worth debating, rather than making a pathetically lame attack that does not address my position or the factual basis behind it.
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If GMac gets the credit for molding Jiri then I assume that WM should receive the credit for developing Homan.
If WM recruiting was only mediocre and we had three winning seasons in a row what could be the reason?
A. the refs favored us
B. the teams we played were terrible
C. contrary to what been said on CF in the past it's easier to win with freshmen and sophomore guards
D. we had a better head coach then we thought
If WM recruiting was only mediocre and we had three winning seasons in a row what could be the reason?
A. the refs favored us
B. the teams we played were terrible
C. contrary to what been said on CF in the past it's easier to win with freshmen and sophomore guards
D. we had a better head coach then we thought
As you did not understand what was being protested by bos, it is was a mistake for me to think you would understand my contention you that lacked an understanding of bos's protest.
I will try to help you understand:
Statement A: Morgan had a better record after three years than McD.
Statement B: Firing Morgan was the wrong thing to do.
Statement C: The expectations of JP are lower now than when Morgan was coach
Statement A is a fact.
The factual nature of Statements B and C cannot be induced from Statement A, even when erroneously combined with Statement A. In other words, Statements B and C cannot be deduced from Statement A. Or more simply, Statements B and C are opinion at best.
I am not suggesting McD has performed to the level necessary or that his contract was what was best for ISU.
Y'all need to get off this idea that there was any sort of standard set by JP's firing of Wayne.
Wayne was not his hire and was put on a very very short leash. If you've ever looked at the real world it happens all the time. His hire is going to get more time to succeed. Period end of discussion on that point.
In no way does JP want ISU bball to fail. He simply is not making the choice to fire Mac at this point and chose to give him another year. That in no way implies he is choosing losing over winning. No one could guarantee what a new hire or what Mac will do next year.
Just because I hate Wayne in way implies I like Mac or accept mediocrity. If anything it's quite the opposite. I've been disappointed in the overall direction of our program since we laid an egg against Baylor.
Wayne was not his hire and was put on a very very short leash. If you've ever looked at the real world it happens all the time. His hire is going to get more time to succeed. Period end of discussion on that point.
In no way does JP want ISU bball to fail. He simply is not making the choice to fire Mac at this point and chose to give him another year. That in no way implies he is choosing losing over winning. No one could guarantee what a new hire or what Mac will do next year.
Just because I hate Wayne in way implies I like Mac or accept mediocrity. If anything it's quite the opposite. I've been disappointed in the overall direction of our program since we laid an egg against Baylor.
Probably one of the most despicable posts I've seen from a Cyclone fan to date. Being anxious to see your team lose? WTF?
Wayne Morgan to Iowa
Word is Wayne could be on the new Iowa staff to recruit
That is interesting to say the least
Word is Wayne could be on the new Iowa staff to recruit
That is interesting to say the least
Re: Wayne Morgan to Iowa
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If he still has connections and isnt shut out of his key areas it would be a nice hire for Iowa. Didnt Iowas new coach say he was going to do it the right way? There are still questions about things Morgan did at ISU and if they were on the up and up.