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rholtgraves said:
How do you have Vanderbilt as the toughest game? No way. Gonzaga would be if they played them by far. And Iowa number 3? No. And just because Cincinnati is at home I wouldn't put them outside of the 3 most difficult non con games. They are going to be good.
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I could see switching order or 1 & 2, certainly (swapping order of any couplet, as far as that goes.) Gonzaga should be better than Vandy, on paper, but I also nudge most road games slightly tougher than neutral/home.

That's also a factor that I have Cincinnati that low, even though I expect it to have roughly same seeding area projection as ISU for NCAA tournament). Similar reasoning for Drake as high as 6th — neutral in-state game (and Drake has been known to beat good Iowa State teams, some years).
 
heitclone said:
Sounds like another fan who enjoys every Cyclone game could use your tickets then. Besides, were you complaining last year? We didn't play a decent team until mid December, about 2 weeks LATER than we host Cincy this year.
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It's been nice that we have been good the last few years I've been able to sell most the noncon game tix.

True, I shouldn't have discounted cincy. But this only shows why we should try to get UNI back on the home schedule. We should get good games with good mid majors like witchita state, Dayton, etc.
 
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I understand the coaching staff thought we would lose both Monte and Naz from last season, so I'm not blaming the coaching staff for the non-con schedule, but there is really no excitement at all to this schedule, especially the home slate.

Hopefully the Advocare tournament will be as good as it can be with all those teams in there. I would love to see us play Gonzaga.
 
Agreed with those that would like to see us with the following non-con schedule each year

Iowa
Holiday tourney
Big 4
2 P5 or Big East/American H/H

Obviously we get another in the SEC challenge, but like with this years schedule, I'd like an @ Marquette or Creighton like others mentioned - get our feet wet on the road once outside of Iowa.


By the way, I think what some of you want is the 1990-91 non conference schedule. Check out what Johnny gave us that year.......it didn't go well:


(Maui)
-Chaminade
-Syracuse
-Santa Clara
(Houston - Diet Pepsi Invite)
-Houston
-North Carolina
Minnesota
@ Baylor
@ Iowa
@ Northern Iowa
Michigan
Indiana
(Fiesta Bowl Classic)
-Temple
-Arizona
Drake
@ Creighton
UIC


Now that's a non conference schedule! We also went 6-10 against it.

Today, that'd be
ACC: 2
American: 2
Big Ten: 4
Big 12: 1
MVC: 2
Pac 12: 1
Big East: 1
And the others (Chaminade, Santa Clara, UIC)
 
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CrossCyed said:
Agreed with those that would like to see us with the following non-con schedule each year

Iowa
Holiday tourney
Big 4
2 P5 or Big East/American H/H

Obviously we get another in the SEC challenge, but like with this years schedule, I'd like an @ Marquette or Creighton like others mentioned - get our feet wet on the road once outside of Iowa.


By the way, I think what some of you want is the 1990-91 non conference schedule. Check out what Johnny gave us that year.......it didn't go well:


(Maui)
-Chaminade
-Syracuse
-Santa Clara
(Houston - Diet Pepsi Invite)
-Houston
-North Carolina
Minnesota
@ Baylor
@ Iowa
@ Northern Iowa
Michigan
Indiana
(Fiesta Bowl Classic)
-Temple
-Arizona
Drake
@ Creighton
UIC


Now that's a non conference schedule! We also went 6-10 against it.

Today, that'd be
ACC: 2
American: 2
Big Ten: 4
Big 12: 1
MVC: 2
Pac 12: 1
Big East: 1
And the others (Chaminade, Santa Clara, UIC)
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I'd accept even half of that brutality.

To be fair, a couple things compared to now:
* More than half of the schedule was non-conference that season (14 Big 8, 16 non-league) ... now we have 18 round-robin and only 12/13 non-conference.
* They could still play in 2 multi-team tournaments at that time — and being in Maui in itself was huge.
 
I've seen a couple mentions that the slate was set "weaker" with assumption that Morris and Mitrou-Long would be gone. If that's actually the case, it's a short-sighted scheduling strategy.
 
cyclones500 said:
I've seen a couple mentions that the slate was set "weaker" with assumption that Morris and Mitrou-Long would be gone. If that's actually the case, it's a short-sighted scheduling strategy.
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With an expected 5 of the top 7 rotation being gone, it's not that short-sighted. Prohm may have asked for it as well. At minimum, going into last season we were losing 4 of the top 7. It was a fluke that we only lost 3.
 
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cyclones500 said:
I've seen a couple mentions that the slate was set "weaker" with assumption that Morris and Mitrou-Long would be gone. If that's actually the case, it's a short-sighted scheduling strategy.
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Most games are scheduled more than a year in advance
 
chuckd4735 said:
Not in basketball. Football that is the case, but in basketball, most games are scheduled 6 mouths-1 year in advance.
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"Games can be scheduled 2-3 years in advance..It's hard to see what a team might look like a year removed" -Micah Byars on the CF podcast
 
istater7 said:
"Games can be scheduled 2-3 years in advance..It's hard to see what a team might look like a year removed" -Micah Byars on the CF podcast
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You said most games. Some can sure, but most are scheduled in the prior off season. The Cincinnati series, for example, was not scheduled until last May, 6 months before the season started.
 
chuckd4735 said:
You said most games. Some can sure, but most are scheduled in the prior off season. The Cincinnati series, for example, was not scheduled until last May, 6 months before the season started.
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I think that the Cincinnati series seems to be the outlier here. Just my opinion though.
 
istater7 said:
I think that the Cincinnati series seems to be the outlier here. Just my opinion though.
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The ISU/South Carolina game was announced 6 months before the season started as well... http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/sho...highlight=iowa+state+will+play+south+carolina
The Virginia series was announced 5 months before the 2010 season... http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93864&highlight=iowa+state+to+play+virgina
The Michigan series was announced a little over 5 months before the 2011 season... http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121205&highlight=iowa+state+to+play+michigan
Iowa State Duke was announced a little over 4 months before the 2009 season started... http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59921&highlight=iowa+state+duke
 
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chuckd4735 said:
The ISU/South Carolina game was announced 6 months before the season started as well... http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/sho...highlight=iowa+state+will+play+south+carolina
The Virginia series was announced 5 months before the 2010 season... http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=93864&highlight=iowa+state+to+play+virgina
The Michigan series was announced a little over 5 months before the 2011 season... http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121205&highlight=iowa+state+to+play+michigan
Iowa State Duke was announced a little over 4 months before the 2009 season started... http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59921&highlight=iowa+state+duke
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Wasn't the BYU series a late addition, too, after VA backed out of their game at Hilton?

It's not that hard to get a quality opponent or two if we bother to try.
 
CycloneErik said:
Wasn't the BYU series a late addition, too, after VA backed out of their game at Hilton?

It's not that hard to get a quality opponent or two if we bother to try.
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It comes down to money. obviously schools feel they make more cash scheduling guarantee games where they pay visiting opponents $80k-100k ish.

Almost all Power 5 match-ups during the non-conference season exist because ESPN or Fox is paying for the game. ISU would not have played Michigan, Virginia, BYU or Cincy if ESPN didn't schedule and agree to pay each school a couple hundred grand. As much as ISU fans love our Clones, unless we are ranked top 15 preseason, we have very little marketing value to ESPN. Not a lot of TV sets in Iowa and not a blue blood. The exception to the TV game match up is if the venue is going to pony up some dollars- Big4 Classic is an example.

Someone earlier posted basketball games are scheduled a couple years out. That is only the case in certain situations. Home and home series (Cincy), holiday tournaments, the Big 4 Classic, Big12/SEC Challenge and our series with Iowa. That happens to be 7 of our 13 non-conference games for the 2016/17 season. The guarantee games that most people complain about are scheduled April to July before the season starts.
 
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isucy86 said:
It comes down to money. obviously schools feel they make more cash scheduling guarantee games where they pay visiting opponents $80k-100k ish.

Almost all Power 5 match-ups during the non-conference season exist because ESPN or Fox is paying for the game. ISU would not have played Michigan, Virginia, BYU or Cincy if ESPN didn't schedule and agree to pay each school a couple hundred grand. As much as ISU fans love our Clones, unless we are ranked top 15 preseason, we have very little marketing value to ESPN. Not a lot of TV sets in Iowa and not a blue blood.

Someone earlier posted basketball games are scheduled a couple years out. That is only the case in certain situations. Home and home series (Cincy), holiday tournaments, the Big 4 Classic, Big12/SEC Challenge and our series with Iowa. That happens to be 7 of our 13 non-conference games for the 2016/17 season. The guarantee games that most people complain about are scheduled April to July before the season starts.
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I know the game at Michigan was on the Big 10 Network, and wasn't the BYU game at Hilton on Cyclones.TV?

Also, the at Virgina game was on Comcast.
 
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Whoever is in charge of getting on the phone and trying to put games together should probably find a new job because this is a pretty embarrassing non-con schedule
 
isucy86 said:
It comes down to money. obviously schools feel they make more cash scheduling guarantee games where they pay visiting opponents $80k-100k ish.
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This is one area where selling out our stadium\arena could actually hurt the fans. There's no reason financially to try to bring in anyone to drive increased single game sales when the season is already sold out. So we go for the cheap options, whether that be in not bringing in major games to hilton, or continuing to schedule UNI on the cheap when we could be getting even easier FCS opponents that dont see us as this big rivalry game.

It is a bit of a bummer that we dont have a single P5 conference noncon game at home this year.
 
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