Transfers out of the program and the problems.

[StClone]

Player turnover used to worry me, but it is appears to be part of the game (unless it's huge or as part of a major scandal). Ours does not seem that bad.

I think Bill has, despite a life-time contract, a real need to deliver in the next few years. He nearly pulled the string once before after the cancer and chemo dragged him down. I question whether he wants to end his career bereft of positives. With the buzz of great recruits, he may see his last hope.

In the sweep of Iowa State WBB history it is always pointed out that we had nothing before Fennelly came. That being the case any good coach would have had a positive influence and Bill had great success. Changes came and we are now back to not much more than we were pre-Bill (except now we have a legacy).

A post above makes the point we shouldn't criticize which to me means, "support the program but don't vocalize any displeasure with results or deviations from expectations." Sounds like a map for mediocrity. Things move bigger forward when in down times supporters grumble, maybe scrape together some bucks, and the AD stirs things up with a change. Change can be good.

 

[Cyclad]

To make your list complete (since 2010):
Darcie D.ick
Emiah Bingley
Rosie Gambino
Claire Ricketts forgoing her final year

Not counting Aliyah Konate, who had injury issues.

Not going deeply into this because I already did in another thread. If you look at the total list, there are a lot of recruiting mistakes on the list . Whoever decided to recruit Sofia obviously never watched her play.

 

[BoxsterCy]

Not going deeply into this because I already did in another thread. If you look at the total list, there are a lot of recruiting mistakes on the list . Whoever decided to recruit Sofia obviously never watched her play.

They never saw any of that years recruits play in person. Think they saw Washington only at HS practice IIRC. That class was a total fallback wing and a prayer and one of the weirdest things ever in our recruiting. At least they got a serviceable player in Camber out of it.

 

[StClone]

Not going deeply into this because I already did in another thread. If you look at the total list, there are a lot of recruiting mistakes on the list . Whoever decided to recruit Sofia obviously never watched her play.

They NEVER did see her play. That was one of the reasons I called it an experiment when we had Europeans Camber, Konate and Sofia commit. Camber is a player and just needs more reps and confidence.

 

[AttackOfTheClones]

In the sweep of Iowa State WBB history it is always pointed out that we had nothing before Fennelly came. That being the case any good coach would have had a positive influence and Bill had great success. Changes came and we are now back to not much more than we were pre-Bill (except now we have a legacy).

What Bill had done has been spectacular, given what we were pre-1997.

The biggest catalyst was Stacy Frese transferring in from Iowa, adding awesome recruiters we haven't seen since-- Brenda Frese & Katie Abrahamson. The 1997-2000 era put the ISU wbb culture in high gear.

Stacy's three years here? She beat Iowa three times, and the coach she rejected--Angie Lee of Iowa, was eventually fired

 

[StClone]

The 1997-2000 era put the ISU wbb culture in high gear.

As part of the antiques here, my first WBB game (a girl took me) was in 1982 when we beat Iowa at Hilton. Being an impressionable kid, my meeting Pam Wettig was a highlight (at a social thing - I later learned her sister was TV star Patricia). A little recalled fact: Wettig became the Big 8 Coach of the year. I attended no more games until the start of Fennelly's run.

 

[BoxsterCy]

As part of the antiques here, my first WBB game (a girl took me) was in 1982 when we beat Iowa at Hilton. Being an impressionable kid, my meeting Pam Wettig was a highlight (at a social thing - I later learned her sister was TV star Patricia). A little recalled fact: Wettig became the Big 8 Coach of the year. I attended no more games until the start of Fennelly's run.

This actually puts you on the young end of the ISU WBB fans in the stands demographic.

 

[Sigmapolis]

can someone clarify what "the Iowa State Way" means? I guess I've always interpreted this to mean Christians and no lesbians, but that might be way off.

I do not know if Fennelly has a more vocal defender than Heather Ezell...

...who is openly gay. CW has stated that a few times on podcasts and the radio.

 

[StClone]

I do not know if Fennelly has a more vocal defender than Heather Ezell....

Off the OP was my conversation with my 16-yo Granddaughter after I heard her mention a new Heather Ezell book. Astonished Ezell had written a popular book, I started a conversation by asking how she knew of Ezell's work. Her friends did she replied.

Continuing, how did her friends know Ezell? She seemed embarrassed as her mother cut in stating: Ezell writes young teen romances. "Have you read her?" I was asked by my daughter-in-law offering a disturbed smile. Realizing something awry, I found then of another Heather Ezell who authors teen girl fluff.

 

[acoustimac]

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Oh lord. Another men's basketball player is transferring...should we fire Prohm?
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[NWICY]

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Oh lord. Another men's basketball player is transferring...should we fire Prohm?
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Naw everybody dislikes him because he is a bad coach.

 

[Tornado man]

I do not know if Fennelly has a more vocal defender than Heather Ezell...
...who is openly gay. CW has stated that a few times on podcasts and the radio.

Uh, she sure wasn't while she played at ISU. Care to wonder why?

 

[mwwbbfan]

Uh, she sure wasn't while she played at ISU. Care to wonder why?

I will take Heather's word for how she was treated and their knowledge of her life preferences. If she was not open I think that is more of a societal issue and her comfort level with making that part of her life public.

 

[Three4Cy]

I don't know if there is a list of women who have transferred from the program or have left early over the since 2010 - 2011 which is about the time the women's program has started to take a dive and has had attendance starting to drop. These are the players that I could remember. A lot of these have hurt the program. Is it the coaching, the players not fitting, a combination of them all. At one time women's basketball at ISU either broke even or made a little money. Now with the stagnation of the program they lose money. A lot of these players could have helped us. Is the program at the point where it is a lost cause or do we have one more shot this next year to catch lighting in a bottle.
Bride Kennedy-Hopoate 2018 transfeer - Don't know what to make of this one yet
Sofija Zivaljevic 2017 transfeer - Not getting play time. I can understand this especially for a highly rated European recruit.
Tee-Tee Starks 2017 transfer- Have heard several rumors why she transferred, but none of them are good if it is true. Losing her hurt us this year.
Jadda Buckley forgoing her last year of playing. This one killed us this year.
Bry Fernstroming 2016 transfer - She transferred in the middle of the season which really hurt us. She is getting 20-30 minutes a game at Minnesota is what I have heard.
Nakiah Bell 2015 transfer - No real reason stated, but she would have helped us a great deal.
Blaire Thomas 2015 transfer - no playing time. I can understand this.
Kaleah Mays transferred - bad fit for the program.
Jessica Schrolls transfered - Getting torn apart in front of 7,000 plus fans - that is the main cause.
Kelsey Harris transfer - Can't remember what I heard.
Whitney Williams - transferred to TCU and had a very nice career there.

How about you do the same thing for the men? From 2010-2018 here are the men's transfers:
Erik McKnight, Calvin Godfrey, Jordan Railey, Tavon Sledge, Aaron Law, Percy Gibson, Sherron Dorsey-Walker, Cameron Fowler, Kerwin Okoro, Kourtlin Jackson, Clayton Custer, Hallice Cooke, Georges Tsalmpoursis, Simeon Carter, Jordan Ashton, Brady Ernst, Ray Kasongo, and Jakolby Long. 18 players total over 8 years or 2 per year.

Women's transfers from 2010-2018
Kelsey Harris, Jessica Schroll, Kileah Mays, Nakiah Bell, Blaire Thomas, Bry Fernstron, Tee Tee Starks, Sofija Zivaljevic, and Bride Kennedy-Hopoate. 9 players over 8 years or 1 per year.

Based on your title, you can't count Jadda - she didn't transfer.

Fernstrom is averaging 11 minutes per game this year at Minnesota and 3.6ppg. There are two other post players on their roster averaging more points and minutes. Hmm...sounds like the exact same situation as she was in at ISU.

As someone who has had season tickets since 1998, the only player of that hurt transferring was Jessica Schroll. She was a great player and we missed her after she left.

Program taking a dive? Over the time frame you listed we are 151-104 with 6 NCAA appearances over 8 years. We were .500 or better in the conference 6 of the eight years as well.

Attendance taking a dive, are you kidding me? We haven't been out of the top four in NCAA attendance rankings in the time frame you listed.
2010-11 - 4th, 11-12 - 3rd, 12-13 - 2nd, 13-14 - 2nd, 14-15 - 4th, 15-16 - 3rd, 16-17 - 3rd. We are the top Big 12 team.

Why is is acceptable for our men's program to lose an average of 2 players per year over the past eight years, but the women lose one a year and people on this board go off on the coach that we have a transfer problem? There is a transfer problem in all of college sports. Guess what, go ask players at schools across the country and you will find players who loved playing for a coach and players who played for a coach and despise the coach after they graduate. It's not just an ISU thing like people on this board make it out to be.

 

[StClone]

Women's transfers from 2010-2018
Kelsey Harris, Jessica Schroll, Kileah Mays, Nakiah Bell, Blaire Thomas, Bry Fernstron, Tee Tee Starks, Sofija Zivaljevic, and Bride Kennedy-Hopoate. 9 players over 8 years or 1 per year.

Fernstrom is averaging 11 minutes per game this year at Minnesota and 3.6ppg. There are two other post players on their roster averaging more points and minutes.

You may have missed a couple transfers for instance I know Darcie D. should be counted for 2010. She moved to SW Okie St. where she was new-comer of the year 2011-12 and 1st team ALL-GAC WOMEN’S BASKETBALL.

Though it is hard to have nothing more than an opinion, I think Fernstrom was a loss. She set several Freshman records. But otherwise your point is solid.

 

[NWICY]

Uh, she sure wasn't while she played at ISU. Care to wonder why?

Pretty sure many people know that 1/2 of our announcing team is lesbian, and most of us don't know the ladies on the team personally enough to know their preference. Come in represent the school well, graduate and go on with life. I would have added play winning BB but we haven't done that for a couple of yrs now. Hopefully that will start to change back next yr.

 

[NWICY]

How about you do the same thing for the men? From 2010-2018 here are the men's transfers:
Erik McKnight, Calvin Godfrey, Jordan Railey, Tavon Sledge, Aaron Law, Percy Gibson, Sherron Dorsey-Walker, Cameron Fowler, Kerwin Okoro, Kourtlin Jackson, Clayton Custer, Hallice Cooke, Georges Tsalmpoursis, Simeon Carter, Jordan Ashton, Brady Ernst, Ray Kasongo, and Jakolby Long. 18 players total over 8 years or 2 per year.

Women's transfers from 2010-2018
Kelsey Harris, Jessica Schroll, Kileah Mays, Nakiah Bell, Blaire Thomas, Bry Fernstron, Tee Tee Starks, Sofija Zivaljevic, and Bride Kennedy-Hopoate. 9 players over 8 years or 1 per year.

Based on your title, you can't count Jadda - she didn't transfer.

Fernstrom is averaging 11 minutes per game this year at Minnesota and 3.6ppg. There are two other post players on their roster averaging more points and minutes. Hmm...sounds like the exact same situation as she was in at ISU.

As someone who has had season tickets since 1998, the only player of that hurt transferring was Jessica Schroll. She was a great player and we missed her after she left.

Program taking a dive? Over the time frame you listed we are 151-104 with 6 NCAA appearances over 8 years. We were .500 or better in the conference 6 of the eight years as well.

Attendance taking a dive, are you kidding me? We haven't been out of the top four in NCAA attendance rankings in the time frame you listed.
2010-11 - 4th, 11-12 - 3rd, 12-13 - 2nd, 13-14 - 2nd, 14-15 - 4th, 15-16 - 3rd, 16-17 - 3rd. We are the top Big 12 team.

Why is is acceptable for our men's program to lose an average of 2 players per year over the past eight years, but the women lose one a year and people on this board go off on the coach that we have a transfer problem? There is a transfer problem in all of college sports. Guess what, go ask players at schools across the country and you will find players who loved playing for a coach and players who played for a coach and despise the coach after they graduate. It's not just an ISU thing like people on this board make it out to be.

It's a damn good thing we sell a lot of season tickets because we sure as hell don't put 9,000 butts in the seats for more than 1 or 2 games a season. Once again ISU fan loyalty comes to the rescue of a program.

I don't really have a problem with the transfers my problem is we haven't had a team worth following for a while. I'm pretty tired of having a team that either doesn't make the Tourney or gets bumped in the first weekend. What was this the 1st time they've won a game in the B12 tourney for 5 yr?

 

[BoxsterCy]

I don't really have a problem with the transfers my problem is we haven't had a team worth following for a while. I'm pretty tired of having a team that either doesn't make the Tourney or gets bumped in the first weekend. What was this the 1st time they've won a game in the B12 tourney for 5 yr?

We are 1-8 in Big 12 tournament and NCAA play in the last five years. The win this year was the first in five years. Maybe next year we get back to something better than mediocre but that's what the last five years have been.

1-8 starting this year and the next four will get Prohm fired for those that want to cite the men's program. Now Fennelly's not going to get fired or anything but I think some of the men's program compares in this thread are just silly. The performance metrics are much harsher and there is lot more pressure.

 

[CycloneBob]

Uh, she sure wasn't while she played at ISU. Care to wonder why?

I disagree. We went to all the games during her time at ISU. I recall she had a shaky first 2 years but really turned it around last 2 years. Her lifestyle wasn't undercover.

 

[kcdc4isu]

You may have missed a couple transfers for instance I know Darcie D. should be counted for 2010. She moved to SW Okie St. where she was new-comer of the year 2011-12 and 1st team ALL-GAC WOMEN’S BASKETBALL.

Though it is hard to have nothing more than an opinion, I think Fernstrom was a loss. She set several Freshman records. But otherwise your point is solid.

I can tell you why she left. I talked to her family when we played in the Virgin Islands and her dad was upset because she was not starting as she was an outstanding juco player and much better than Chassidy Cole who was coming in off the bench. I told him it was early and she was still learning the system but at Christmas break she quit the program. The reason many players leave a program lack of playing time.