transfer rules take on more meaning

[jmb]

That's ridiculous. Most of these players are committing to a coach moreso than the school, and they should be punished because the person they committed to is leaving?
That's the kind of thinking that got the NCAA dragged into court multiple times.

Here's the reality, if you think that more restrictions on player movement are going to happen, you haven't been paying attention to the way this is going.

The second the NCAA or a conference tries to institute more restrictive transfer rules, they're going to get sued. There are plenty of lawyers just begging for it. The NCAA knows it. So do the schools. And that's why it won't happen. The emperor has very few clothes left as it is.

I don't dispute any of your points. I also don't think limiting the athlete out of 1 school would be overly burdensome.

 

[jmb]

That punishes the player though...that doesn't seem right!

How many Div 1 programs are there? Limiting out one team doesn't seem outrageous.

 

[cyfanatic]

How many Div 1 programs are there? Limiting out one team doesn't seem outrageous.

It is if that is the coach that the player wants to play for!

 

[Mr Janny]

I don't dispute any of your points. I also don't think limiting the athlete out of 1 school would be overly burdensome.

But when it's specifically the school that is helmed by the head coach they are likely to have the closest relationship to, it becomes burdensome. There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting to follow a coach. This is the leader. The inspirer. The system that you know. It's entirely understandable why a player would want to follow. And if that damages the school they're departing... so be it. That's how the world works.

 

[isucy86]

There is a new reality and it gives the players a lot of freedom. Player turnover on hoops has seemed crazy, but think about the potential with football teams and 85 scholarship players. SEC coaches have proposed an increase to the 25-scholarship limit for kids who enter the transfer portal.

Schools have brought this on by creating a culture where student-athletes are segregated from the general student population. Athlete dorms, athlete performance centers, etc. etc. The toothpaste is out of the tube, just a matter of time before athletes are employees.

The only curious thing, at some point do some schools jump off the merry-go-round and go back a purer student-athlete model. Heck, not sure that model has existed for 50 years. But I could see schools like Duke, Vanderbilt, Stanford, etc. take a more Ivy League approach to college athletics.

 

[jmb]

But when it's specifically the school that is helmed by the head coach they are likely to have the closest relationship to, it becomes burdensome. There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting to follow a coach. This is the leader. The inspirer. The system that you know. It's entirely understandable why a player would want to follow. And if that damages the school they're departing... so be it. That's how the world works.

Do you happen to work in an industry with a non-compete being standard fair? This is categorically business, coaches moving and inducing coaches and players to join them in their new quest could be viewed akin to tortious interference. Hell if you want to make it such that the student-athlete is allowed to transfer that is ok, put non-compete limits on the assistant coaches.

 

[3TrueFans]

How many Div 1 programs are there? Limiting out one team doesn't seem outrageous.

Make it so the coach is also not allowed to move to his first choice school to keep it fair.

 

[Mr Janny]

Do you happen to work in an industry with a non-compete being standard fair? This is categorically business, coaches moving and inducing coaches and players to join them in their new quest could be viewed akin to tortious interference. Hell if you want to make it such that the student-athlete is allowed to transfer that is ok, put non-compete limits on the assistant coaches.

I'm sure schools could attempt to get coaches to sign non-competes. Seems like a good way to turn away top talent though.

 

[jmb]

Make it so the coach is also not allowed to move to his first choice school to keep it fair.

I hear what you are saying.

 

[jmb]

I'm sure schools could attempt to get coaches to sign non-competes. Seems like a good way to turn away top talent though.

So the investment in the coaches and athletes should be done without any expectation of reciprocity?

 

[Mr Janny]

So the investment in the coaches and athletes should be done without any expectation of reciprocity?

If you're expecting reciprocity in business you're setting yourself up to get hurt. I'm not saying it can't exist, but you sure as hell can't count on it, and making it a contractual obligation almost guarantees that it won't exist beyond the letter of the contract.

 

[jmb]

If you're expecting reciprocity in business you're setting yourself up to get hurt. I'm not saying it can't exist, but you sure as hell can't count on it, and making it a contractual obligation almost guarantees that it won't exist beyond the letter of the contract.

Interesting. I view all engagements where there is a monetary exchange one wherein there should be equal reciprocity. I understand your view. I don't totally agree with it but respect your position. Thank you for the dialogue.

 

[Mr Janny]

Interesting. I view all engagements where there is a monetary exchange one wherein there should be equal reciprocity. I understand your view. I don't totally agree with it but respect your position. Thank you for the dialogue.

The reciprocity is transactional. I provide goods/services and you pay me. That's as far as it goes. If you are happy with what I provide, you might decide to purchase my services again. And if I'm happy with the arrangement, I might agree again. But if you become dissatisfied with my service or I choose to accept higher pay for my sevices somewhere else, then our transaction is ended. So long as the terms of our transaction are completed, then no reciprocity is required nor should be expected.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

The reciprocity is transactional. I provide goods/services and you pay me. That's as far as it goes. If you are happy with what I provide, you might decide to purchase my services again. And if I'm happy with the arrangement, I might agree again. But if you become dissatisfied with my service or I choose to accept higher pay for my sevices somewhere else, then our transaction is ended. So long as the terms of our transaction are completed, then no reciprocity is required nor should be expected.

Just so you know, I've been reading your posts in Joe Pesci's voice.

 

[67CY]

Campbell isn’t leaving but if he did you think he’s taking a bunch of players with him to Notre Dame? Think about it for a minute.

It would give Hall a great shot at the Heisman if he wants it

 

[allfourcy]

Campbell isn’t leaving but if he did you think he’s taking a bunch of players with him to Notre Dame? Think about it for a minute.

your first 3 words..........sure wish they were the actual truth.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Sucks, but it isn't going to change. You can also rebuild with transfers more easily than you could before.

 

[isucy86]

I'm sure schools could attempt to get coaches to sign non-competes. Seems like a good way to turn away top talent though.

Non-Competes are becoming as much a dinosaur as the puritanical idea of student-athlete.

Labor law is much more tilted toward employee rights vs. employer. Heck even Biden spoke to eliminating non-competes when he first got into office.

Seems to me in business the trend is to protect intellectual property vs. the intellect.

 

[Mr Janny]

Non-Competes are becoming as much a dinosaur as the puritanical idea of student-athlete.

Labor law is much more tilted toward employee rights vs. employer. Heck even Biden spoke to eliminating non-competes when he first got into office.

Seems to me in business the trend is to protect intellectual property vs. the intellect.

Agreed. I suspect if a school tried to ask a coach to sign a non compete their agent would raise a massive stink. It's not something that could be done on the sly.

 

[jmb]

The reciprocity is transactional. I provide goods/services and you pay me. That's as far as it goes. If you are happy with what I provide, you might decide to purchase my services again. And if I'm happy with the arrangement, I might agree again. But if you become dissatisfied with my service or I choose to accept higher pay for my sevices somewhere else, then our transaction is ended. So long as the terms of our transaction are completed, then no reciprocity is required nor should be expected.

I don't dispute. I think it is much more gray then black and white. Again, I respect your opinion and approach.