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Traffic Cams Not Always About Safety

FDWxMan said:
An employer can put any requirement/restriction on driving company vehicles they want to. And that could easily be 'you reimburse us every time you screw up with a camera, or you can't drive one.'

Doesn't have to be in the "law"...just company/city policy.
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Fair enough.
 
That's a bunch of BS...the laws apply to everybody on the road, so everybody should be paying the fines or get rid of the cameras
 
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FDWxMan said:
Why should police be knowingly issuing citations that are not justified by law?And before you say it, what excuse is there for officers patrolling traffic to not understand/correctly interpret the law?
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Its not that officers are knowingly writing bad citations it is the fact that some judges interpret laws in their own ways. Hard to explain on a message board but sometimes a certain judge will do traffic court and start tossing tickets for some reason that was never an issue before.
[/quote]Why are *some* police officers driving their vehicle in the same manner in which they pull over and cite civilian motorists?[/QUOTE]Personal vehicle or department vehicle? Can you say for a fact that the specific officer that drove a certain way also tickets others that do the same? I have ran a red light before(I wasn't paying attention and was lucky the intersection was empty). Does that mean I can never cite anyone for running a red light? Or is it possible that 99% of bad driving goes unpunished and if you get caught you should take it like a man instead of crying like a baby?
 
CYlent Bob said:
The departments where the vehicles are registered would be paying into the "general fund", and it would get diverted to whatever slush fund the council decides to spend that money on.

The best part of that? You'd get departments like Parks & Rec or the Police coming down to the City Council meetings are complaining about how this is just an unaccountable "fundraiser" for the city that's affecting their pocketbooks.

And I can just sit back, pop some popcorn & say....."Welcome to the party, pals!"
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Well said brother.
 
Me State said:
Its not that officers are knowingly writing bad citations it is the fact that some judges interpret laws in their own ways. Hard to explain on a message board but sometimes a certain judge will do traffic court and start tossing tickets for some reason that was never an issue before.
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Why are *some* police officers driving their vehicle in the same manner in which they pull over and cite civilian motorists?[/QUOTE]Personal vehicle or department vehicle? Can you say for a fact that the specific officer that drove a certain way also tickets others that do the same? I have ran a red light before(I wasn't paying attention and was lucky the intersection was empty). Does that mean I can never cite anyone for running a red light? Or is it possible that 99% of bad driving goes unpunished and if you get caught you should take it like a man instead of crying like a baby?[/QUOTE]

Nice strawman. Nobody is saying that you can't write a ticket for running a red light if you observe it happening. What we're saying is that if the general public has to pay red light camera tickets, police & other government employees should have to pay them as well. When they pull strings to avoid paying the tickets, that confirms what people like myself have been saying....that these cameras are NOT about safety, but all about revenue.

And "crying like a baby" in court? That's preferable to "whining like a petulant teenager" trying to get the tickets dismissed before they go to court.
 
As a government employee, I think these things need to be applied to everybody. That's pathetic if they aren't being applied in a "blanket" type formula. If you're going to have automatic enforcement, it damn well better be automatic.
 
Nice strawman. Nobody is saying that you can't write a ticket for running a red light if you observe it happening. What we're saying is that if the general public has to pay red light camera tickets, police & other government employees should have to pay them as well. When they pull strings to avoid paying the tickets, that confirms what people like myself have been saying....that these cameras are NOT about safety, but all about revenue.
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Ok I thought you were talking about the turn signal issue.
If a police officer or other city employee is in their personal vehicle they get a ticket and pay it like everyone else. If the ticket is in a city vehicle the city can handle it internally. Any company can decide how they want to handle a ticket that is issued to a company vehicle. If your company wants to pay it and do nothing that's fine. If your company wants to make you pay the ticket or punish you in some other way that is fine as well. I see no reason for the city to be required to pay tickets to itself. The ticket is the same as a parking ticket and I know cities don't go out of their way to write parking tickets to city vehicles. They handle it internally.
 
Me State said:
Ok I thought you were talking about the turn signal issue.
If a police officer or other city employee is in their personal vehicle they get a ticket and pay it like everyone else. If the ticket is in a city vehicle the city can handle it internally. Any company can decide how they want to handle a ticket that is issued to a company vehicle. If your company wants to pay it and do nothing that's fine. If your company wants to make you pay the ticket or punish you in some other way that is fine as well. I see no reason for the city to be required to pay tickets to itself. The ticket is the same as a parking ticket and I know cities don't go out of their way to write parking tickets to city vehicles. They handle it internally.
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It's called "PROFESSIONAL COURTESY" :wink:
 
Remember that the servicing company gets 30-50% of that ticket. So fining government vehicles is just giving money over to that company. It's not just moving money from one department to another. Seems there should be some sort of internal punishment for this.
 
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