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Throwback Thread: COACHING SEARCH: Wednesday, Nov. 25 evening update

NetflixAndClone said:
Fritz might not have any JUCOs in his classes, but it would still be nice to have a guy that coached and probably still have a ton of connects to JUCOs. I believed he played juco in Kansas and coached JUCOs in Missouri. I bet if he needed to recruit, he would dip into the JUCO ranks.
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Fritz is my second choice. I think he is okay. Nothing wrong with him. IMO, Matt Campbell could be something special. I would roll the dice with him. The guy is only 35 years old. He was the second youngest coordinator several years ago. And then became the youngest head coach in FBS. I just think that he could take us to the next level. And is the type of coach that fans could get really excited about.

We would fill the stadium next year.
 
Stormin said:
Fritz is my second choice. I think he is okay. Nothing wrong with him. IMO, Matt Campbell could be something special. I would roll the dice with him. The guy is only 35 years old. He was the second youngest coordinator several years ago. And then became the youngest head coach in FBS. I just think that he could take us to the next level. And is the type of coach that fans could get really excited about.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again now that someone else is on the Matt Campbell bandwagon: Nothing against him, but Todd Monken is a better fit for ISU.* Campbell took over a good Toledo program and is now in charge of a good Toledo program. Monken took over an 0-12 Southern Miss... and is 8-3 in his third year. The 3-9/2-10/3-8 program that the new coach will be inheriting has more parallels with old Southern Miss than it does with old Toledo relative to their respective conferences. Campbell hasn't shown the ability to build rather than to maintain.

*Based on the incomplete and mostly speculative information that we all are judging these candidates on (me included)
 
While Leipold has not coached at a high level, I think there is one thing that is overlooked in him by some on here. Being as successful as he was at Wisconsin-Whitewater shows an ability to grow and develop talent, something severely missing at ISU. Recruiting to ISU is hard so therefore one way to combat that is to find a coach who is a great developer of talent.

Overall, all of the coaches named so far have some good pros that we need, but also some cons to them. I think we need to find a coach who is great at things that ISU has historically been weak at. For example, recruiting is hard for us, so find a coach who is great developer of talent.
 
I watched Mangino's offense move the ball with ease all game long against Toledo. I was surprised to find out their recruiting rankings were so similar to ours after that. We lost that game, but probably would beat Campbell 8 out of 10 times. I wonder if he translates well to the Big 12.
 
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SCNCY said:
While Leipold has not coached at a high level, I think there is one thing that is overlooked in him by some on here. Being as successful as he was at Wisconsin-Whitewater shows an ability to grow and develop talent, something severely missing at ISU. Recruiting to ISU is hard so therefore one way to combat that is to find a coach who is a great developer of talent.

Overall, all of the coaches named so far have some good pros that we need, but also some cons to them. I think we need to find a coach who is great at things that ISU has historically been weak at. For example, recruiting is hard for us, so find a coach who is great developer of talent.
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Just because you have success at a lower level doesn't mean you will win at the P5 level. More often that not those coaches fail when the make a move up.
 
kingcy said:
Just because you have success at a lower level doesn't mean you will win at the P5 level. More often that not those coaches fail when the make a move up.
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Not necessarily endorsing him, just saying that if he had that much success at a level where developing talent is more valuable than recruiting the right person, that is a quality I think we need in our next coach. I think it shows his ability to develop talent.
 
CyFan61 said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again now that someone else is on the Matt Campbell bandwagon: Nothing against him, but Todd Monken is a better fit for ISU.* Campbell took over a good Toledo program and is now in charge of a good Toledo program. Monken took over an 0-12 Southern Miss... and is 8-3 in his third year. The 3-9/2-10/3-8 program that the new coach will be inheriting has more parallels with old Southern Miss than it does with old Toledo relative to their respective conferences. Campbell hasn't shown the ability to build rather than to maintain.

*Based on the incomplete and mostly speculative information that we all are judging these candidates on (me included)
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Since I'm somewhere near the driver's seat of the Campbell bandwagon, I agree Monken's ability to turn SoMiss around is incredibly enticing and shows he at least has the ability to get a program moving. I don't watch much C-USA so I haven't seen SoMiss play but given Monken's pedigree I assume he'll want to implement OSU's offense here. I just don't believe it's going to work. Look at what Holgo went through at WVU after joining the Big XII. He's got WVU pounding the rock, at that's what they'll have to do to be successful. Now...if Monken is really a great offensive mind he'll be able to maximize the talent he has in place and hopefully see the recipe it takes to have success on offense here (again, I don't think it's trying to be OSU/Baylor...it won't work).

One of the things that is very exciting to me about Campbell is he's been an OL coach in the upper midwest for years. He knows where he can get linemen in Ohio/Michigan/Minnesota and what a good frame looks like to build on for building a power/read-option running attack. Can he get them here? I don't know, but he at least has connections with high school coaches up here.
 
SCNCY said:
Not necessarily endorsing him, just saying that if he had that much success at a level where developing talent is more valuable than recruiting the right person, that is a quality I think we need in our next coach. I think it shows his ability to develop talent.
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A Leipold hire could work out, but would GREATLY depend on the staff he would bring with him. His assistants would need to include two or three rock solid, proven recruiters to be worth the risk, moving to the big 12. Does a guy who just arrived in bowl level football from D-III have the connections to make that happen?
 
themayor32 said:
Based on the standards outlined by the "fanatics", he appears to be the only one that fits the bill...who would a home run?
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What standards are those? Being a head coach? Sure, better than the Rhoads hire. Oh, and the high character!

He is that, but there are ones that have demonstrated more program building in tough situations. He is not known as a subject matter expert in any offense/defense or innovative. He has an okay record at the mid-major that has the most advantages in its conference and that was built decades ago. He does not have a lot of overlap with our key recruiting areas. He is not a "name" guy either that you overlook the other deficiencies because its instant excitement.

He could turn out to be a great hire, and is somewhat low risk, but he is down the list of those talked about IMO. He screams JP McDermott hire- getting caught up in things other than finding the guy that gives us the best chance to win out of all feasible candidates.
 
CyFan61 said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again now that someone else is on the Matt Campbell bandwagon: Nothing against him, but Todd Monken is a better fit for ISU.* Campbell took over a good Toledo program and is now in charge of a good Toledo program. Monken took over an 0-12 Southern Miss... and is 8-3 in his third year. The 3-9/2-10/3-8 program that the new coach will be inheriting has more parallels with old Southern Miss than it does with old Toledo relative to their respective conferences. Campbell hasn't shown the ability to build rather than to maintain.

*Based on the incomplete and mostly speculative information that we all are judging these candidates on (me included)
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Campbell was hired in 2011 and coached the Bowl game when Beckman left. Campbell had been the Offensive Coordinator and OL coach in 2010 and 2011 and was Running Game Coordinator and OL coach in 2009.

So the good Toledo football team that Campbell took over.......Campbell helped build. And Campbell has taken that team to a higher level than Beckman did. They are 9-1 this year. And ranked in the Top 25.

A person could make the argument, given Beckman's lack of success at Illinois, that maybe it was Campbell who was more influential on Toledo success than Beckman.

So Campbell was a part of the building process as a Coordinator and has continued that success.

In some ways that is similar to Chris Petersen and Boise State under Dan Hawkins. Dan Hawkins hired Chris Petersen as OC and had great success and left for Colorado where he failed. Meanwhile Chris Petersen has great success at Boise State after Hawkins leaves.

Todd Monken would probably be a good choice as well. I have nothing against him. I just see Campbell as possibly being something special. Campbell has won EVERYWHERE he has been a part of. I could go along with a choice of Todd Monken and maybe take him over Willie Fritz.
 
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Stormin said:
I actually think this is our guy. Pollard's comments about the "culture" at Iowa State. This guy has the resume and would be a splash hire. Plus he wants to build something. We have a great nucleus of young talent. IMO, a great fit.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/story/_/id/1...tt-campbell-worried-next-step-coaching-career
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Stormin- i agree totally. I like fits, but the more I read about Campbell the more I'll be upset if it isn't him who we hire. He sounds too good. I hope pollard gets this right!,
 
Die4Cy said:
I watched Mangino's offense move the ball with ease all game long against Toledo. I was surprised to find out their recruiting rankings were so similar to ours after that. We lost that game, but probably would beat Campbell 8 out of 10 times. I wonder if he translates well to the Big 12.
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Not sure......after the K-State game.......I am not sure that we beat Campbell 8 out of 10 times.

I just know that we lost the game.......whether we moved the ball with ease makes no difference. It is all about the final score.
 
FWIW, on Frost at UNI.

He had a reputation for being a bit aloof and not necessarily putting in the time that other staff put in. Was able to recruit on name recognition.

Walked out of the locker room 5 minutes after a playoff loss and never spoke with anyone on staff again and sent his resignation to Farley via text message. Certainly had some maturity issues at that point.

I'd be pretty leery. I think Iowa State can do better.
 
Dannynoonan said:
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Stormin- i agree totally. I like fits, but the more I read about Campbell the more I'll be upset if it isn't him who we hire. He sounds too good. I hope pollard gets this right!,
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Honestly, I think there are some good choices. Campbell, Monken, Fritz.....IMO, all could be good choices. First and foremost, we have to get a guy who really wants the job. And we have some very good things going for us. Pollard will be selling Iowa State as much as the coaching candidates are selling themselves.

Bottom line is that I see Iowa State getting a decent coach. And I don't want the out of the box choices of Stitt or Liepold. To me there is too much risk with those choices and not enough benefit. Far less risk and just as much or more benefit with the the 3 names I listed.
 
Stormin said:
Not sure......after the K-State game.......I am not sure that we beat Campbell 8 out of 10 times.

I just know that we lost the game.......whether we moved the ball with ease makes no difference. It is all about the final score.
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His team was very Rhoads like, which is not a good thing.
 
Reading through all the names tied to the coaching search I'm not really seeing anyone really worth 3 million. Some I don't even think are even an improvement. But has anyone made a list of what they think the list of coach deserves to come her. For example a coach currently making 500k probably don't need a 2 million salary to come here.
 
browns4cy said:
Reading through all the names tied to the coaching search I'm not really seeing anyone really worth 3 million. Some I don't even think are even an improvement. But has anyone made a list of what they think the list of coach deserves to come her. For example a coach currently making 500k probably don't need a 2 million salary to come here.
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It comes down to the competition for that particular coach. Quite a few open jobs at the FBS level. We might be in competition with some of those places for the coach we want.

In all likelihood we will be paying $2 million or more plus incentives for our next coach. IMO, the next coach will make more than CPR did this last year.
 
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