Three Keys to Saturdays Game

I've already made my prediction: IA gets the win 31-17.

There are three keys that could alter my opinion of that:

#1: ISU's DL play. If the line battle looks anything similar to what it looked like last year, ISU won't be in this game come the fourth quarter. ISU has to do a better job on defense of getting penetration into Iowa's backfield. If Coker gets to the LOS untouched like all of Iowa's RB's last season, this game will be a blowout once again. This issue can't simply be offset by blitzing the hell out of Iowa - if ISU does that, look for McNutt and Herman to gain huge chunks of yards at a time rather than Coker gaining 5-7 at a time. ISU's DL has to play well for ISU to have a chance.

TO refute your opinion: Its funny that you put the entire responsibility of this game on our DL....lets put it this way, if our DL play this game and Klein and Knott are causing turnovers and knocking the snott out of your fumble prone rb - then maybe this is more of a wash then your simplistic opinion.


#2: Steele Jantz. I see a lot of talk about Coker's fumbles, and while that is undoubtedly a problem for Iowa to monitor, Jantz threw three picks last week against UNI and will be starting in his first ever game against a BCS caliber defense. If Jantz throws three picks on Saturday it puts ISU's defense, already in a bad position, in a bigger hole. Jantz needs to have a good game Saturday and throw 1 or fewer INT's for ISU to really be in the game IMO.

No doubt but if he only threw three picks that would actually give us two more possessions to score because in both of the past two seasons when your DL was incredible we threw 5 interceptions both games...This can be easily turned around to say that if Vandenberg does not throw better then he did in his last game that we will have the three interceptions. His windows for completions will be tighter with this being only the third BCS level defense he's faced!

#3: ISU's rushing attack. If ISU can run the ball and take the pressure off of Jantz, this game could be much closer than I think it will be. Above everything else, ISU has to run the ball successfully on Saturday to have a chance. Throwing the ball has two negatives: 1. It exposes a young QB to potentially making game altering mistakes & 2. It will keep ISU's defense on the field longer. Without any doubt, ISU's biggest key to victory on Saturday is a successful rushing attack. I do think that Iowa's defense will be more susceptible to the run this year than the pass, so ISU needs to take advantage of that. Can they? No one knows. Last week ISU's OL was without their two best players, but there is certainly a cause for concern about the other three starters, who didn't look great.

Ironic that you indicate that if we can run it that the game will be closer - not that we will have the edge...Furthermore, you as well as every other hawk fan acts as if you still have Stanzi back there....Your young qb will be reaped in pressure for this game...he's an iowa kid he will have more pressure then some cocky california kid....Vandenberg could buckle the same way that your boy Tate did a couple of years ago....

Now a real perspective....we have two defenses that are pretty good, ISU's give up a bit more yards but, the difficult thing to determine is how good Iowa really is....TTech is horrible and they knew coming in this was for a loss and a paycheck.....Whereas this same team took Iowa to the limit and now those kids are seniors....think they're better or worse then three years ago when they did the same thing to iowa that they did to iowa state only to lose the game!

The question for me is the Offenses....iowa showed a lot more explosion, but that was against a sold old 8 man front all day....no wonder Vander-whatever threw for 250, he had wide wide open guys all night. I venture to say not many hawkeye fans nor players believe that any of the iowa receivers will have that easy of a night the rest of the season....that was your cupcake and you did what you should have done. ISU was exposed...we dont have a an identify right now on offense...we showed promise at the end of the game...Jantz proved something there at the end. Will it be better with 3 of his 5 starters back on the OL maybe, maybe not...Our OL needs to play better, not dominate by any means, they simply need to slow Iowas Line down. If they can do that, then we will get a true evaluation of Jantz. otherwise we will have a schewed rushing number because the number of rushing yards jantz will have based on scrambles. And that leads me to the one facet that may be the big difference between these two qb's. Steele can flat out run......not so much with vanderbilt....hes stationary and a sitting duck....stanzi was surprisingly mobile and had absolutely great pocket presence...his abilities will be showcased from here on out as iowas schedule get serious, people will one day wish they had stanzi back!!!!

Hoping for a great game with ISU pulling it out - 24-21
 
Guys, how many times do we have to go over this??

Iowa never loses, they only beat themselves..

Like somebody said before, we can only hope Iowa doesn't even care about the game and is looking ahead to their conference games and the BCS Title game
 
I've already made my prediction: IA gets the win 31-17.

There are three keys that could alter my opinion of that:

#1: ISU's DL play. If the line battle looks anything similar to what it looked like last year, ISU won't be in this game come the fourth quarter. ISU has to do a better job on defense of getting penetration into Iowa's backfield. If Coker gets to the LOS untouched like all of Iowa's RB's last season, this game will be a blowout once again. This issue can't simply be offset by blitzing the hell out of Iowa - if ISU does that, look for McNutt and Herman to gain huge chunks of yards at a time rather than Coker gaining 5-7 at a time. ISU's DL has to play well for ISU to have a chance.

#2: Steele Jantz. I see a lot of talk about Coker's fumbles, and while that is undoubtedly a problem for Iowa to monitor, Jantz threw three picks last week against UNI and will be starting in his first ever game against a BCS caliber defense. If Jantz throws three picks on Saturday it puts ISU's defense, already in a bad position, in a bigger hole. Jantz needs to have a good game Saturday and throw 1 or fewer INT's for ISU to really be in the game IMO.

#3: ISU's rushing attack. If ISU can run the ball and take the pressure off of Jantz, this game could be much closer than I think it will be. Above everything else, ISU has to run the ball successfully on Saturday to have a chance. Throwing the ball has two negatives: 1. It exposes a young QB to potentially making game altering mistakes & 2. It will keep ISU's defense on the field longer. Without any doubt, ISU's biggest key to victory on Saturday is a successful rushing attack. I do think that Iowa's defense will be more susceptible to the run this year than the pass, so ISU needs to take advantage of that. Can they? No one knows. Last week ISU's OL was without their two best players, but there is certainly a cause for concern about the other three starters, who didn't look great.

I think you are right, Hawkfan. If ISU can rush the football, they can win. If they cannot rush the football they cannot win. If ISU can rush the football and stop Iowa's rushing attack, then ISU will win (barring a rash of TO's).
 
It amazes me how many people look at last year's game and assume the Clones have no chance. Iowa did beat ISU badly last year, but they also should have lost to Indiana, last year. Iowa is not a national championship team in waiting this year.

Yes, the offensive and defensive lines for ISU had issues with UNI, but there where a lot of guys that did not play on those lines because of injuries or suspensions. Those units will be completely different this week. Also, Jantz had some horrible passes, but it is pretty clear that the guy is a gamer, and when he is on he will be a very good QB. He has a cannon for an arm and can throw the long ball, something that Iowa has not had to even defend for the past 4 years.
 
While I appreciate your honest opinion, isn't there anything Iowa can do to affect this game? You make it sound like win or loss, it is all up to what ISU does.
It's not about the points we earn, it's about taking the points the Hawks GIVE us. No one beats Iowa, Iowa only shoot themselves in the foot.
 
After watching the UNI game again, my biggest key to the game is Hayworth Hicks. The pressure up front came from through our RG probably 75% of the time. It helped when they moved Dika over, but it was still bad, Having him available will immediately improve the O-Line significantly. Obviously that won't be enough to win the game on its own, but it definitely helps one of the key problems from last weekend.
 
A few arguments here are lacking adequate logic to prop them up ....

Ironic that you indicate that if we can run it that the game will be closer - not that we will have the edge...Furthermore, you as well as every other hawk fan acts as if you still have Stanzi back there....Your young qb will be reaped in pressure for this game...he's an iowa kid he will have more pressure then some cocky california kid....Vandenberg could buckle the same way that your boy Tate did a couple of years ago....

In '05, at the beginning of the season, Iowa's OL was mediocre AT BEST. Thus, one of Tate's biggest problems that year was that he was running for his life. In the game against ISU that year, Iowa's OL was outclassed by ISU's DL.

In stark contrast, in '11, Vandenberg has a much better OL blocking for him than what Tate had in '05. Thus, in that regard, Vandenberg is an entirely different position than Tate ... and is frankly in a much better position.

As for your remark that relates to how Vandenberg's psychology might impact things ... I'll definitely concede that that could certainly play a role. However, your own reference to Tate is part of what makes your statement rather silly.

In '05, ISU featured an inexperienced in-state kid in Meyer ... a great and talented kid ... a kid who understandably had a lot of (psychological) pressure on him. In contrast, Tate could easily have been described as a cocky Texas kid ... a relative outsider, much like how you describe Jantz's situation.

Anyhow, as we saw in the case of Meyer ... he had the pressure on him and he played great. In Arnaud's first game against Iowa ... aside from some INTs ... he played really well too. Of course, in subsequent years, Arnaud pressed a bit too much ... and didn't handle the pressure as well ... and ISU lost.

How will Vandenberg respond to the pressure? I don't know? However, what I do know is that Vandenberg went into the 'Shoe with the Big 10 conference title on the line as a RS FR ... and he played great! I'm sorry, but the ISU game is NOT going to place more pressure on Vandenberg than the aforementioned Ohio State game.

Now a real perspective....we have two defenses that are pretty good, ISU's give up a bit more yards but, the difficult thing to determine is how good Iowa really is....TTech is horrible and they knew coming in this was for a loss and a paycheck.....Whereas this same team took Iowa to the limit and now those kids are seniors....think they're better or worse then three years ago when they did the same thing to iowa that they did to iowa state only to lose the game!

LOL! Sorry but the two UNI teams aren't the same. Pat Grade was a veteran SR QB ... and a quite a good passer too. More importantly, UNI also had a SR laden offensive line ... and a very good one too. And, as is seemingly always the case, their D was very sound too.

The '09 UNI team was a really impressive group. The problem is that they couldn't take the pressure of being the team to beat ... and they unravelled. It was a very "Hawkeye" thing of them to have done. The '11 UNI might be that good ... I don't know. However, I'll say one thing, Rennie isn't near the passer that Grace was.

And that leads me to the one facet that may be the big difference between these two qb's. Steele can flat out run......not so much with vanderbilt....hes stationary and a sitting duck....stanzi was surprisingly mobile and had absolutely great pocket presence...his abilities will be showcased from here on out as iowas schedule get serious, people will one day wish they had stanzi back!!!!

In other posts, I've already addressed this issue to some degree. First off, I'll agree that Jantz's mobility could certainly turn out to be a x-factor that works to his (and ISU's) advantage.

However, one thing about Stanzi that you're not considering is that Stanzi's footwork was a bit on the slow side. Furthermore, between his footwork and his desire to always try to make plays ... Stanzi still ate too many sacks. Those sacks sometimes produced turnovers and, more often, the simply stalled drives.

Another thing about Stanzi is that he had great touch on his passes. In fact, in many regards, he relied TOO MUCH on touch ... and, when the weather was less than ideal, Stanzi's play in the passing game took a HUGE hit.

In contrast, Vandenberg has great footwork, a really quick release, and he has better arm-strength than Stanzi. Of course, I tend to believe that arm-strength can be a little overrated ... however, sometimes you need to be able to throw a ball on a rope ... and that is exactly something that Vandenberg is better at doing than Stanzi. As for the earlier attributes that I've mentioned about Vandenberg, his quick footwork, along with his quick release will make it that much harder to sack him. Thus, your remark about Vandenberg being stationary and being a sitting duck couldn't be more wrong.
 
A few arguments here are lacking adequate logic to prop them up ....


LOL! Sorry but the two UNI teams aren't the same. Pat Grade was a veteran SR QB ... and a quite a good passer too. More importantly, UNI also had a SR laden offensive line ... and a very good one too. And, as is seemingly always the case, their D was very sound too.

Actually they sound fairly similar. UNI returns 8 starterst from last years offens and 4 of 5 on the Oline. Rennie is a SR and he might not be the most accurate passer but his running skills more than make up for that.
Defense returns 9 starters with serious talent on the DL
Also this team is picked to win the Valley so take that for what it is worth.


Your lack of knowledge of UNI makes the rest of your post seem more homerish.
 
Guys, how many times do we have to go over this??

Iowa never loses, they only beat themselves..

Like somebody said before, we can only hope Iowa doesn't even care about the game and is looking ahead to their conference games and the BCS Title game

Not possible, quotes from the last couple years about how they practice for this game in the spring and put more emphasis on it than any other game have confirmed what we have known all along: this is Iowa's superbowl.
 
If Iowa avoids turnovers and can stop the ISU run game, I say Iowa wins easily....so those would be my two keys for Iowa - stopping ISU's run game will go a LONG way toward an Iowa victory.

I'm sure UNI was thinking the same thing....just sayin'
 
After watching the UNI game again, my biggest key to the game is Hayworth Hicks. The pressure up front came from through our RG probably 75% of the time. It helped when they moved Dika over, but it was still bad, Having him available will immediately improve the O-Line significantly. Obviously that won't be enough to win the game on its own, but it definitely helps one of the key problems from last weekend.

In the 2nd half, the pressure came through our left guard position almost every time. RG was better, in the 2nd half at least. Hicks will help a ton, but we need to shore up that spot as well.
 
A few arguments here are lacking adequate logic to prop them up ....


LOL! Sorry but the two UNI teams aren't the same. Pat Grade was a veteran SR QB ... and a quite a good passer too. More importantly, UNI also had a SR laden offensive line ... and a very good one too. And, as is seemingly always the case, their D was very sound too.

Actually they sound fairly similar. UNI returns 8 starterst from last years offens and 4 of 5 on the Oline. Rennie is a SR and he might not be the most accurate passer but his running skills more than make up for that.
Defense returns 9 starters with serious talent on the DL
Also this team is picked to win the Valley so take that for what it is worth.


Your lack of knowledge of UNI makes the rest of your post seem more homerish.

As I recall, the '09 UNI squad was picked by many to win the national championship. They were clobbering everybody they faced through the first half of the season ... but then they fell apart.

Anyhow, when I said that the two UNI squads were rather different ... the implication had more to do with STYLE of play. I was NOT suggesting that the 2011 UNI squad wasn't good.

I agree with you that the Clone's beat an excellent UNI squad.

So please remind me ... how exactly did I articulate a poor knowledge of the UNI squad?
 
The '09 UNI team was a really impressive group. The problem is that they couldn't take the pressure of being the team to beat ... and they unravelled. It was a very "Hawkeye" thing of them to have done. The '11 UNI might be that good ... I don't know. However, I'll say one thing, Rennie isn't near the passer that Grace was.

Rennie isn't near the passer but his overall effectiveness is just as good. And his running skills are as good as an any you'll find at that level. Hell, his running skills are up there with BCS level QB's.

There have been UNI fans and even staff from UNI saying this years team may be their best ever. Particularly their defensive line is probably their best or one of the best they've ever fielded.

Let's let this season play out but it's very plausible that ISU beat a better UNI team than Iowa did two years ago.
 
Rennie isn't near the passer but his overall effectiveness is just as good. And his running skills are as good as an any you'll find at that level. Hell, his running skills are up there with BCS level QB's.

There have been UNI fans and even staff from UNI saying this years team may be their best ever. Particularly their defensive line is probably their best or one of the best they've ever fielded.

Let's let this season play out but it's very plausible that ISU beat a better UNI team than Iowa did two years ago.

And ISU was just as close to losing to a very talented UNI team ... just like Iowa.
 
As I recall, the '09 UNI squad was picked by many to win the national championship. They were clobbering everybody they faced through the first half of the season ... but then they fell apart.

Anyhow, when I said that the two UNI squads were rather different ... the implication had more to do with STYLE of play. I was NOT suggesting that the 2011 UNI squad wasn't good.

I agree with you that the Clone's beat an excellent UNI squad.

So please remind me ... how exactly did I articulate a poor knowledge of the UNI squad?[/QUOTE]

I dont recall anything in your post about STYLE. Your post stated that the two UNI teams that Iowa and ISU faced "are not the same" because in 09 UNI had:SR (experienced) QB & SR leadership on the OL with a Stout Defense.

My reply to that is while the QBs may excel in different aspects of the game (Rennie is more of a runner/scrambler while the 09 QB was a passer) the two teams are pretty darn comparable.


I also think that the two teams that UNI faced were maybe not all that different. In the begginning of 2009 Iowa really didnt know what they had on offense. Stanzi played a bit as a So. but was sporadic, they were breaking in new RB's who were trying to replace NFL talent (Shonn Greene) and Iowa's starting WR was listed as Trey Strauss. The advantage here was Iowa's OL which if ISU's gets healthy in 2011 could be at least comparable to the 09 Hawks.

The morale of the story is that UNI is a good enough program that in the years where they return upperclassmen to challenge BCS schools who are trying to replace a lot of production.

I can only hope that ISU's season goes half as good as the 09 season did for Iowa :rolleyes:
 
A few arguments here are lacking adequate logic to prop them up ....



In '05, at the beginning of the season, Iowa's OL was mediocre AT BEST. Thus, one of Tate's biggest problems that year was that he was running for his life. In the game against ISU that year, Iowa's OL was outclassed by ISU's DL.

In stark contrast, in '11, Vandenberg has a much better OL blocking for him than what Tate had in '05. Thus, in that regard, Vandenberg is an entirely different position than Tate ... and is frankly in a much better position.

As for your remark that relates to how Vandenberg's psychology might impact things ... I'll definitely concede that that could certainly play a role. However, your own reference to Tate is part of what makes your statement rather silly.

In '05, ISU featured an inexperienced in-state kid in Meyer ... a great and talented kid ... a kid who understandably had a lot of (psychological) pressure on him. In contrast, Tate could easily have been described as a cocky Texas kid ... a relative outsider, much like how you describe Jantz's situation.

Anyhow, as we saw in the case of Meyer ... he had the pressure on him and he played great. In Arnaud's first game against Iowa ... aside from some INTs ... he played really well too. Of course, in subsequent years, Arnaud pressed a bit too much ... and didn't handle the pressure as well ... and ISU lost.

How will Vandenberg respond to the pressure? I don't know? However, what I do know is that Vandenberg went into the 'Shoe with the Big 10 conference title on the line as a RS FR ... and he played great! I'm sorry, but the ISU game is NOT going to place more pressure on Vandenberg than the aforementioned Ohio State game.

LOL! Sorry but the two UNI teams aren't the same. Pat Grade was a veteran SR QB ... and a quite a good passer too. More importantly, UNI also had a SR laden offensive line ... and a very good one too. And, as is seemingly always the case, their D was very sound too.

The '09 UNI team was a really impressive group. The problem is that they couldn't take the pressure of being the team to beat ... and they unravelled. It was a very "Hawkeye" thing of them to have done. The '11 UNI might be that good ... I don't know. However, I'll say one thing, Rennie isn't near the passer that Grace was.

In other posts, I've already addressed this issue to some degree. First off, I'll agree that Jantz's mobility could certainly turn out to be a x-factor that works to his (and ISU's) advantage.

However, one thing about Stanzi that you're not considering is that Stanzi's footwork was a bit on the slow side. Furthermore, between his footwork and his desire to always try to make plays ... Stanzi still ate too many sacks. Those sacks sometimes produced turnovers and, more often, the simply stalled drives.

Another thing about Stanzi is that he had great touch on his passes. In fact, in many regards, he relied TOO MUCH on touch ... and, when the weather was less than ideal, Stanzi's play in the passing game took a HUGE hit.

In contrast, Vandenberg has great footwork, a really quick release, and he has better arm-strength than Stanzi. Of course, I tend to believe that arm-strength can be a little overrated ... however, sometimes you need to be able to throw a ball on a rope ... and that is exactly something that Vandenberg is better at doing than Stanzi. As for the earlier attributes that I've mentioned about Vandenberg, his quick footwork, along with his quick release will make it that much harder to sack him. Thus, your remark about Vandenberg being stationary and being a sitting duck couldn't be more wrong.

This reference was only made because thats the last time i can remember that an Iowa QB was brutal in this matchup...nothing further...but he was brutal!!! I was making the reference more to the fact that i would like to see vandenberg in a similar position!

Agreed to the extent that Jantz could buckle or really play well, in tates case he buckled.

Actually if your referring to 2005 Meyer didnt have a great game...actually the two offenses were very similar except turnovers. Iowa committed 5 turnovers that day 3 fumbles and 2 interceptions one of which was returned. Iowa state has not had an offensive outburst for a long long time. Hopefully its overdue. Ironic, that this game has an eery resemblance to the 2005 game. iowa whopped ball state by 56 and isu barely beat illinois state.

Wont take nothing away from Vandenberg in that Ohio State game - but, i will use your logic to say he does not have the same supporting cast he had in that game either and not for the better.

By the way it was Pat Grace and his career passing total was 4200 yards and 42 touchdowns. Well Terrell will not get to those passing totals but the same could be said for Grace getting to Terrells rushing totals!!!! Having a sound D and a Defense that is expected to lead the Missouri Valley is quite a different statement. Your right, the teams are different. Grace was given a lot more luxuries but their defense was not nearly as stout as this defense is expected to be - considering they start 8 seniors and 3 juniors on defense it should be good. With Terrell, his offense is more associated to a rushing attack and keep the scores low because thats what you want to do when you have an awesome defense...Your right, no question different teams - but, i was referring to this UNI team as not being a flash in the pan good team. UNI is a well coached, well prepared team and in both Ia and ISU they were the first games of the season so UNI had all year to prepare to win that game!

Agreed - but stationary Pat Grace wasnt nearly the rushing threat that Terrell is either. Pick you poison....both are effective.

Although you only point to this being a negative, he also hung in the pocket - got cracked and delivered the ball in space on time...when he was good he was wicked good. I think iowa fans downplay the importance that Stanzi has played in iowas success and all too often were ready to appoint the next guy bigger, stronger and better. IMO stanzi was one hell of a qb that made mistakes sure granted - but the guy won quite a few games and that cannot be questioned!

My remark was guided towards the lumbering runner that Vanderbilt is not his effective throwing footwork. In terms of Dan Marino - perfect footwork but would you roll him out - in one word NO! Vanderberg fits the mold of Iowa qb and thats not a bad thing. they tried the mobile dual threat guy and it didnt work as well...the iowa system is built imo on timing, accuracy and smarts. Havent gotten enough of a taste of vandenberg to know as all hawkeyes fans have a newly appointed heisman contender now that Coker isnt the doak walker award winner many were projecting him as!!!!

My whole thing homerhawk is simple and i think you will agree....this game will come down to two things - period.

1. Which qb makes more plays or less bad plays.
2. Which team turns the ball over more.

Everyone keeps saying its the rushing its the rushing its the rushing. Well to me if a team is rushing the ball and not scoring its worthless other then tiring out the other team (which would be more of a problem for a thinner ISU team then a team like iowa with a lot of talented depth).

Good luck....i hope we finally score a td thats not in mopup time....i still consider that frickin steak in tact!!!!
 
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I think the 12 keys the game are:
1. left guard play
2. Defensive Tackle play
3. The quarterback's throwing motion
4. field position
5. wind direction.
6. the coach's outfits
7. injuries
8. turnovers.
9. right guard play.
10. holders
11. kickoff distance.
12. who scores the most points
 

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