This is a Final Four team

Actual is we need to grow up

You're right. The reaction to this has shown that a lot of posters on this board do need to grow up and stop overreacting to a single game.

Oh, wrong "we"? Yeah, everyone, let's keep telling the players and coaches what they need to do. Obviously you want to win more than they do. Make sure you tweet then telling how childish they are, while you're at it.

Goodness.
 
Last night at BU and our previous game at WVU tells me that this team has everything you need to make a run to the Final Four. We are talented and deep. We have an unflappable and focused coach. We do not have to have any certain player "on" his game to compete with high caliber opponents on the road. We can find success against different styles of play in multiple ways. Our team is mentally tough, focused, and confident.

We are not playing our best basketball right now but the great thing is...it's JANUARY! We want to be playing our best ball in MARCH and APRIL. I anticipate that we may lose again in conference play...the league is just so tough. But you will never see the kind of debacle from this team like you saw with last year's squad in Morgantown.

i am looking forward to being in Indianapolis April 4-6.
Agreed. This is all just making us tougher for a March run.
 
Getting to the Final Four this year for most teams ex-Kentucky, Virginia, maybe Duke, will involve some amount of luck and certainly momentum at the right time.

I don't think I've seen anything that makes me think we can't get there, but we're still a long shot, IMO.

For us to advance beyond the Sweet 16 we need to get into a much better flow offensively in the half court. When teams out rebound us or slow us down, we look pretty average offensively.

Our defense is much better this year, so that helps.

If we can ever get our offense peaking like it did the last two years towards the end of the year, and hold onto our defense, then we certainly have as good a chance as most.
 
This kind of reminds me of the "We still have a chance to make a bowl game threads" that people would post right after a loss to try to pump up the optimism. Although not nearly as bad, since we have a much better chance of getting to the final 4 then ever going to a bowl game last season.

The good news is the team is no where near it's potential right now.
 
Only for a very few exceptions can you call a team a final four team. A #1 ranked dominant team with one loss on the year, sure. They deserve the title.

But depending on the match up this team could get knocked out first round and everyone here knows that. For example's sake: #5 ISU vs #12 South Carolina. Everyone here would argue we're better the USC, but we lost, on a neutral court.

Same thing can happen in the tournament. Crazy optimism is just as nauseating as crazy pessimism. All you do is build up a massive hype train that's bound to derail and explode.
 
This team has the potential to be a final 4 team, and there are about 25 other teams that can legitimately say the same thing.

Unfortunately I probably won't be at the Final 4 because I will be in Hawaii spending my Powerball winnings, because I'm pretty sure about winning that.
 
Getting to the Final Four this year for most teams ex-Kentucky, Virginia, maybe Duke, will involve some amount of luck and certainly momentum at the right time. I don't think I've seen anything that makes me think we can't get there, but we're still a long shot, IMO. For us to advance beyond the Sweet 16 we need to get into a much better flow offensively in the half court. When teams out rebound us or slow us down, we look pretty average offensively. Our defense is much better this year, so that helps. If we can ever get our offense peaking like it did the last two years towards the end of the year, and hold onto our defense, then we certainly have as good a chance as most.
ISU shot 46% overall and 52% from three against a tough defense, could have played even better on offense and still lost. Their issue isn't on offense. ISU needs to get better on defense. they are better than they were last year due solely to the presence of McKay but they still have a ways to go. I saw too many blown assignments and slow rotations that gave Baylor far too many easy looks at the basket. There isn't a lot that ISU is going to be able to do about their rebounding issues; they aren't getting any bigger this year. Continuing to work on their defensive rotations and remembering to box out when a shot goes up will help some but they need to improve on making the other team work harder to get their first shot. The comeback last night was impressive and overall ISU looked solid. I thought they lost their composure a bit in the first half when they were down big but regained to keep it from getting out of hand. And Naz Long really seems to be taking on the role of team leader. He was out there firing guys up and looked to be the main guy talking to the team in stoppages. And that range, holy moly. That was impressive. That guy is going to make some money in the NBA if he keeps extending his range every year like he has. All in all, a pretty impressive performance on the road for ISU. Tough to win on the road.
 
If this team grows like all Hoiberg teams grow throughout the season, and we get the right seed and/or path, then yes this team has the potential to be a Final Four team. But there is still a lot of work to do and, as we found out last night, they need not be dwelling on it like it seemed they were looking ahead to the KU game last night. But yeah, with Hoiball, anything is possible.
 
I have had the night to sleep on it and the morning to think about what this basketball team is and I don't think ISU is a final four team. Put me in the something is missing category, but we don't rebound well and defense is lacking. Players are in the wrong spots on defense and I watched many of our players last night just watch while Baylor jacked a three or get a board. Free throw shooting is sub-par at best and this team doesn't value the basketball (taking shots early in the shot clock, silly passes and forcing things). I think ISU is good, but not great. In my opinion, the sweet sixteen would be our ceiling. I would love to be wrong and eat crow, but the pieces we have are not final four level. This is just my opinion and I am just a fan. This team sleep walks sometimes and great teams don't do that.
 
You mean the 4th ranked Blue Devils that lost at home to an unranked Miami team by 24?

Or, perhaps the Louisville team which lost at North Carolina by the same margin we lost to Baylor, the same North Carolina that was dominated by Iowa at home?
 
I have had the night to sleep on it and the morning to think about what this basketball team is and I don't think ISU is a final four team. Put me in the something is missing category, but we don't rebound well and defense is lacking. Players are in the wrong spots on defense and I watched many of our players last night just watch while Baylor jacked a three or get a board. Free throw shooting is sub-par at best and this team doesn't value the basketball (taking shots early in the shot clock, silly passes and forcing things). I think ISU is good, but not great. In my opinion, the sweet sixteen would be our ceiling. I would love to be wrong and eat crow, but the pieces we have are not final four level. This is just my opinion and I am just a fan. This team sleep walks sometimes and great teams don't do that.
At this time of year, something is missing from almost ALL the Final Four contenders so I wouldn't sweat that. Kentucky, Duke, Wisconsin, Arizona and Louisville all have pretty glaring weaknesses right now. It is very rare that Final Four teams look like Final Four teams in January. Teams are better right now than they were 2.5 months ago and they'll be better 2.5 months from now than they are right now. ISU's offense can score on almost anyone and is definitely Final Four caliber right now. They just need to shore up their defensive issues, which is no easy task. At some point the players will need to buy into the fact that it is necessary to survive six games in the tourney. You can't just assume your shots will always fall. Gotta be able to make it tough for the opponents to even get good shots.
 
Agreed. This is all just making us tougher for a March run.

Wow, think how tough we'll be if we lose another 9 or 10 close games!
Point being a team can become "tougher" by winning the close ones. Kanas won by one at Baylor last week and "became tougher", along with an inside track on the B12 and tourney seeding benies
 
ISU shot 46% overall and 52% from three against a tough defense, could have played even better on offense and still lost. Their issue isn't on offense. ISU needs to get better on defense. they are better than they were last year due solely to the presence of McKay but they still have a ways to go. I saw too many blown assignments and slow rotations that gave Baylor far too many easy looks at the basket. There isn't a lot that ISU is going to be able to do about their rebounding issues; they aren't getting any bigger this year. Continuing to work on their defensive rotations and remembering to box out when a shot goes up will help some but they need to improve on making the other team work harder to get their first shot. The comeback last night was impressive and overall ISU looked solid. I thought they lost their composure a bit in the first half when they were down big but regained to keep it from getting out of hand. And Naz Long really seems to be taking on the role of team leader. He was out there firing guys up and looked to be the main guy talking to the team in stoppages. And that range, holy moly. That was impressive. That guy is going to make some money in the NBA if he keeps extending his range every year like he has. All in all, a pretty impressive performance on the road for ISU. Tough to win on the road.

This is a great post! Especially from a guy that people despise enough to make a thread about. I agree with everything you said. Naz Long battled and the kid just competes and doesn't give up. And he makes a shot to bring it within 10 and on the defensive end he is pumping the guys up. That's leadership at it's finest.

The only thing I can even begin to disagree with is the not being able to do much about our rebounding flaws. I agree, we won't get taller or bigger but I honestly don't remember seeing a single box out last night. Is that a product of wanting to get out in transition? Maybe. But a stat from last night that is absurd to me is that Baylor shot 30 of 70 from the field and had 19 offensive rebounds! So on their 40 missed shots, they got an offensive board on half of them. Should NEVER happen! Unless there is not a single guy boxing out all game.

I love this team and the toughness to come back and battle on the road was impressive! Please though, battle on the glass! Box out! I am teaching my 10 year old girls team right now that even if you're smaller but have good position and do your work early you can get boards against bigger players. I think this concept applies at all levels.
 
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At this time of year, something is missing from almost ALL the Final Four contenders so I wouldn't sweat that. Kentucky, Duke, Wisconsin, Arizona and Louisville all have pretty glaring weaknesses right now. It is very rare that Final Four teams look like Final Four teams in January. Teams are better right now than they were 2.5 months ago and they'll be better 2.5 months from now than they are right now. ISU's offense can score on almost anyone and is definitely Final Four caliber right now. They just need to shore up their defensive issues, which is no easy task. At some point the players will need to buy into the fact that it is necessary to survive six games in the tourney. You can't just assume your shots will always fall. Gotta be able to make it tough for the opponents to even get good shots.

I absolutely agree. ISU is too reliant on making shots up till this point in the season. The defense we have cannot be relied on to A) get a stop and B) get a rebound after a missed shot. The struggles at the free throw line are just another prominent issue that will plague ISU in the tourney. I can see us winning 2 games (at most), but the way we are playing is just not likely to result in a final four. A team like Virginia/Wisconsin would win by 8 to 12 points against my clones.
 
I absolutely agree. ISU is too reliant on making shots up till this point in the season. The defense we have cannot be relied on to A) get a stop and B) get a rebound after a missed shot. The struggles at the free throw line are just another prominent issue that will plague ISU in the tourney. I can see us winning 2 games (at most), but the way we are playing is just not likely to result in a final four. A team like Virginia/Wisconsin would win by 8 to 12 points against my clones.

Wait - WUT? Did Tuco just tell panicking ISU fans to calm the **** down about last night's loss, that not even the other Final Four caliber teams have it all figured out yet? Without going all trolly or Tuco on us?

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(I can't believe that just ******* happened)
 
The only thing I can even begin to disagree with is the not being able to do much about our rebounding flaws. I agree, we won't get taller or bigger but I honestly don't remember seeing a single box out last night. Is that a product of wanting to get out in transition? Maybe. But a stat from last night that is absurd to me is that Baylor shot 30 of 70 from the field and had 19 offensive rebounds! So on their 40 missed shots, they got an offensive board on half of them. Should NEVER happen! Unless there is not a single guy boxing out all game. I love this team and the toughness to come back and battle on the road was impressive! Please though, battle on the glass! Box out! I am teaching my 10 year old girls team right now that even if you're smaller but have good position and do your work early you can get boards against bigger players. I think this concept applies at all levels.
Niang strikes me as a guy that plays defense for the first 3/4 of the game very carefully so as to avoid any fouls that may send him to the bench. It will be hard to change that mindset and that mindset will keep you from battling for tough boards. His defense tightened up in the back half of the 2nd half when foul trouble is less of a concern. Hogue is limited with his size in fighting big guys for position and has to be a 100% scrapper 100% of the time to get his boards. McKay is pretty lean and will lose a lot of battles for spots against stronger. His length is ridiculous and will allow him to pluck a lot of boards from above just about everyone. If he can back his rump into the guy of the closest guy and try to clear him out then his length can still grab a good chunk of boards. Long guys like that who are new to D1 hoops sometimes fall back on just trying to out jump people for a board and they are surprised to find out that everyone can jump at this level. How fast McKay advance his skills on defense will go a LONG ways in determining how ISU will finish the year from what I have seen. Lots of potential there.
 
Last night at BU and our previous game at WVU tells me that this team has everything you need to make a run to the Final Four. We are talented and deep. We have an unflappable and focused coach. We do not have to have any certain player "on" his game to compete with high caliber opponents on the road. We can find success against different styles of play in multiple ways. Our team is mentally tough, focused, and confident.

We are not playing our best basketball right now but the great thing is...it's JANUARY! We want to be playing our best ball in MARCH and APRIL. I anticipate that we may lose again in conference play...the league is just so tough. But you will never see the kind of debacle from this team like you saw with last year's squad in Morgantown.

i am looking forward to being in Indianapolis April 4-6.
Go home, you're drunk. There are still a lot of question marks and things to work on.
 
Wait - WUT? Did Tuco just tell panicking ISU fans to calm the **** down about last night's loss, that not even the other Final Four caliber teams have it all figured out yet? Without going all trolly or Tuco on us?
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(I can't believe that just ******* happened)
Nice picture. An old friend of mine was the main female FBI agent in The Boondock Saints II.
 

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